Re: """Standard""" software

On 6/28/26 06:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-06-28 09:02, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> On 2026-06-27, Your Name wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-06-26 08:37:41 +0000, Nuno Silva said:
>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:34:01 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2026-06-25 05:55:22 +0000, Nuno Silva said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And who declared Microsoft products "standard software"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most of the business world did years ago ...
>> [...]
>>>> I think relativism from your part would improve matters too. It's
>>>> not even a de facto standard the way you stated it,
>>>
>>> The majority of businesses in the world use Microsloth Windoze (about
>>> 60%-66%*) and Microsloth Ofiice (about 82% in 2017*)... they *are*
>>> basically the standard and have been for decades now. It may be slowly
>>> beginning to change.
>>>
>>> * That figure is for those using the lastest versions Windowze 10 and 
>>> 11,
>>>   so doesn't include all those still using older versions.
>>>
>>> * A very quick search doesn't turn up more up-to-date figures for 
>>> Microsloth
>>>   Office, only for the online Office 365 version, which doesn't include
>>>   offline users. In terms of just online office apps, Google 
>>> currently has
>>>   the most users.
>>
>> And Google Docs isn't exactly that good. I kept hitting "why doesn't it
>> have $BASIC_FEATURE_OOo_HAD_FOR_YEARS_BEFORE?", and the version control
>> being automatic is a bit too useless. For people who don't want to
>> bother with it? Maybe it's ok. But if I'm aware of it, I may want to
>> group the changes under a descriptive label, and make separate labels
>> for separate sets of changes.
> 
> I have been using Google Calc spread sheet for some years, to track how 
> much gasoline I buy for the car, and how many kilometres it does.

   The office gals used to write, then re-write, our
   entire budget/payroll/expense system as spreadsheets
   until quite recently. A dozen+ heavily-linked pages
   at minimum.

   They were trying to implement an expensive all-in-one
   miracle office/biz system about the time I retired.
   Best I could tell it didn't really have the nuance to
   cope with anyone's Real World reliably. Stuff like
   QuickBooks can SORT of do it ... but something is
   ALWAYS different than the designers Vision.

> Well, one day it lost me entries. It said there was some sync problem, 
> maybe it had stored a local copy that did not match the cloud version. 
> Now that file is impossible to open in the phone, it stalls. I could 
> open it on the computer and save to a different name, but one or two 
> lines are lost.

   Complex sheets are notoriously difficult to diagnose/fix
   when problems appear. Everything is linked to everything.

   And like an un-commented 'C' app, even figuring out WHERE
   the fault is can be a major trial. Meanwhile, how does
   the crew, the bills, get PAID ?

   Even small biz took spreadsheets far beyond what they
   were assumed to be for. Cudos to the writers that they
   COULD be pushed so far, but the debugging tools quickly
   lagged behind.