Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s

On 2026-07-22 03:19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 11:40:03 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>>> Modern Islam (at least the current 'strict' reading by the
>>> extremists) is what does not mesh well with science. Islam of yore
>>> did mesh well. Something changed in the centries from then to now.
> 
> The interpretation changed.
> 
> When the Arabs conquered Alexandria, and found the pitiful remnants of
> what had once been the Great Library (what was left after the
> Christians had done with it), the conquering general sent a message
> back to the Caliph, asking what to do with with the remaining books.
> 
> The message came back: “Either they agree with the Quran, in which
> case they are superfluous, or they disagree with it, in which case
> they are undesirable. In any case, destroy them.”
> 
> And then, just a couple centuries later, the thinking changed, and the
> Islamic Golden Age of scholarship and learning -- the origins of
> science as we know it today -- began. Then, a few centuries after
> that, the thinking changed again, and the Golden Age ended.
> 
> And just about at this point, the thinking in the Christian world
> changed, too. And so we got the Italian Renaissance -- founded on many
> of the ideas from the older Islamic learning, don’t forget. It was the
> Islamic world that had kept the old Greek learning alive (and was
> busily adding to it), while the Christian idea of “learning” was
> making endless over-decorated copies of their holy book.

There was a time in the Christian world where doctors were frowned upon. 
Either god gave you health, or not. You just prayed to get well. Doctors 
should not interfere. They could take a page out of the bible and put it 
inside the wound.

> 
> Moral: You can take exactly the same holy teachings, and selectively
> use parts of them to justify entirely opposite and contradictory
> intellectual positions. We saw that happen with both the Muslims and
> the Christians. And it happens with Jews as well.
> 
> Religous argument is circular argument.


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Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;