Re: CLASS in Europe and America

On 8/15/26 23:32, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Aug 2026 23:06:22 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>> On 8/15/26 03:27, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 23:51:17 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>      Or are you looking for some kind of medieval starving-farmer
>>>>      equation ???
>>>
>>> The fact that Usenet exists suggests that not all the farmers starved.
>>
>>     ALL, no. LOTS and LOTS, yes.
> 
> While there is always luck involved the more capable, provident farmers
> survived. Today, to extend the metaphor, half of the provident farmer's
> crop would be confiscated to support his neighbor who is incompetent or
> too lazy to bother to plow, sow, and reap.
> 
>>     It's ALL "usury" - always HAS been. IMHO it always WILL be, depending
>>     on yer chosen defs.
> 
> You have a strange definition of usury.

   I tend to think it's the most realistic, most
   broadly adaptable.

> https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54319/canto-xlv
> 
> Dante put usurers in the 7th circle of hell, along with blasphemers and
> those who sin against nature. That presumably would include the officials
> on the WNBA who aren't sure what a woman is.

   Hey, 7th is better than 9th  :-)

   Sorry, but "civilization" requires sources and structure
   and organization. It is fer-sure some will be better at
   one or more of those aspects, the 'vision' thing, the
   "smart org" thing. Sorry, but dismal grey State committees
   ain't gonna come close.

   Russia is basically capitalist now, same with China.
   NK is a hold-out ... but a totally HORRIBLE place
   that only survives because Big Brother China wants it.

   Proven BEST - the relative few 'visionaries'/'organizers'
   get things going. YOU work for THEM. You can BITCH about
   them being awful or 'usurers' but You NEED Them or
   NOTHING of use happens.

   Sorry, NO magical world where everybody lives five-star
   for doing nothing for anyone. That's even beyond Harry
   Potter fantasy. What's WRONG with yer brain here ????

   99% of the time yer a Smart Guy ... but on THIS stuff ....