Re: [lkb] Morphological transducer in the LKB, ACL versus MCL

Thanks, John.

Emily

On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 10:26:40AM +0100, John Carroll wrote:
> Jeff,
> 
> I've found a better solution to this problem. It's a bit of code that 
> you can execute before loading tduce.lsp (or any other add-on) into the 
> MCL runtime version of the LKB. It prevents any attempt to use the 
> compiler so you shouldn't get that error message. But when you run the 
> tduce.lsp code you might find it goes very slow (since it has to be run 
> by the lisp interpreter). In that case we will have to work out how to 
> include the functionality in the LKB itself.
> 
> John
> 
> ------
> #+mcl
> (progn
>   ;; turn off the MCL compiler explictly, for running code in an MCL 
> runtime image
>   (setq *compile-definitions* nil *compile-during-load* nil)
>   (let ((*warn-if-redefine-kernel* nil))
>     ;; ccl:lib;defstruct.lisp
>     ;; nx-allow-transforms is not in the runtime image so don't allow 
> it to be called
>     ;; from the code implementing defstruct
>     (defun ccl::optimize-structure-access (env)
>       (declare (ignore env))
>       nil)))
> 
> 
> On 22 Apr 2005, at 14:39, Emily M. Bender wrote:
> 
> >Hi John,
> >
> >Thanks for clearing that up.  I'd say tduce.lsp is stable.
> >It's even checked in through cvs (in src/non-core/).  It's
> >not referenced in any of the `system' files currently, however.
> >
> >Emily
> >
> >On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 01:04:07PM +0100, John Carroll wrote:
> >>>I'm attaching the script I've been using, a file called tduce.lsp
> >>>which reads in a prolog version of an XFST transducer, and
> >>>user-fns.lsp.
> >>>
> >>>I'm encountering problems at a very early stage of trying to read in
> >>>the files and have isolated at least some (if not all) of the 
> >>>problems
> >>>to the use of defstruct in the tduce.lsp file. When you try to use
> >>>that function in any way in the MCL version of the LKB I have, you 
> >>>get
> >>>the error:
> >>>>Error: #<Compiled-function CCL::NX-ALLOW-TRANSFORMS #x314600E>: code
> >>>has been excised.
> >>>>While executing: CCL::NX-ALLOW-TRANSFORMS
> >>>
> >>>(This error is caused by reading in tduce.lsp and also by, for
> >>>example, simply trying "(defstruct foo)" in the listener.)
> >>
> >>The problem is that the MCL version of the LKB that I give out has had
> >>the compiler excised, so this stops it being used for serious code
> >>development. I think the same goes for the MCL trial version.
> >>
> >>The Lisp interpreter is still there in this MCL version, but it seems
> >>that the Lisp system wants to turn the functions that should be 
> >>defined
> >>by the defstructs into compiler macros, and this fails since the
> >>compiler isn't there. So this is a bug in MCL. But I don't hold out
> >>much help for a quick fix.
> >>
> >>There are 2 possible ways around this:
> >>
> >>1. Manually change the source code, turning the defstructs into the
> >>functions that they define
> >>
> >>2. I make a new MCL image which includes tduce.lsp
> >>
> >>I'll only do 2 if tduce.lsp isn't likely to change soon. Do you know 
> >>if
> >>it is likely to?
> >>
> >>John