Re: Any23 Community Discussion
Noah Slater <[email protected]> Tue, 14 May 2013 23:51:40 +0100
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--047d7b3a9c8c02c41204dcb57a81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would also be happy to sit on the PMC and help with release votes. On 13 May 2013 19:22, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < [email protected]> wrote: > Lewis, > > I was the original Champion of Any23, but didn't include myself in the > resolution to create the TLP for hope that the community was in a good > shape and due to my limitation of cycles. > > I "care" about Any23 though and am happy it is here, but not happy to > hear that it's having issues. > > I will request to be added back to the PMC now, and see if I can lend > some cycles towards helping out. > > Cheers, > Chris > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: [email protected] > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross Gardler <rgardler-yabmN0NJNhHwJSu5WlVMogC/[email protected]> > Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 5:05 AM > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Any23 Community Discussion > > >Building a community for a small project is indeed hard work. > > > >Are there any other projects in the ASF that benefit from your > >existence? That is are there any projects that depend on your code? > > > >If there is then you might consider approaching those project > >communities and indicating that you are having problems getting > >releases out. Invite people from that PMC to join your own PMC so that > >they can do IP reviews on our releases and continue to use the code. > > > >If there are no direct dependencies are there any projects in a > >related space? You might find people willing to help out with IP > >reviews. > > > >As Luciano says having regular releases is important to building > >community. Therefore I suggest your first point of focus should be on > >ensuring you have people willing and able to help you get releases > >out. After that you can start focussing on attracting new > >contributors. > > > >Ross > > > >On 13 May 2013 15:56, Luciano Resende <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Lewis John Mcgibbney > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Hi All, > >>> Recently over at Apache Any23 we've been working towards a release, > >>>however > >>> we discovered that apart from around 3 or so project committers there > >>>is an > >>> apparent lack of enthusiasm from within the community to VOTE and for > >>>us to > >>> obtain quorum to release/make decisions. > >> > >> 3 active PMC votes is what you need to get a release out. > >> > >>> For clarity I've rolled back the release candidate and wanted to try > >>>and > >>> iron out some community issues, however I wanted some opinions from > >>>you guys > >>> before I can form my own opinion of where I want to see the project > >>>going. > >> > >> These discussions should really happen on the project dev list, and > >> should be a community decision... > >> > >>> For me the attic is the last resort. As this week has progressed, and > >>>people > >>> have started to chime in on the discussion over on dev@any23, I think > >>>that > >>> we will most likely not go to the attic. > >>> I am personally now recognizing that we have a small number of > >>>community > >>> members who enjoy developing the software as "it works", and in all > >>>honesty > >>> I am fine with that. I actually have the same user and dev > >>>requirements. > >>> Can anyone please provide me with examples/experiences of projects > >>>which > >>> have "struggled" to stay afloat, but have continued to push releases? > >>>I do > >>> not have experience of this and I am very keen to learn. > >> > >> Wink is a small community, where some members really come to play to > >> help get releases out. Having said that, we have a good number of > >> users that benefit from releasing often. > >> > >>> Thank you very much for reading. > >>> Lewis > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Lewis > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Luciano Resende > >> http://people.apache.org/~lresende > >> http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > >> http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > -- NS --047d7b3a9c8c02c41204dcb57a81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">I would also be happy to sit on the PMC and help with rele= ase votes.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot= e">On 13 May 2013 19:22, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">chris.a.mat= [email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Lewis,<br> <br> I was the original Champion of Any23, but didn't include myself in the<= br> resolution to create the TLP for hope that the community was in a good<br> shape and due to my limitation of cycles.<br> <br> I "care" about Any23 though and am happy it is here, but not happ= y to<br> hear that it's having issues.<br> <br> I will request to be added back to the PMC now, and see if I can lend<br> some cycles towards helping out.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Chris<br> <br> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.<br> Senior Computer Scientist<br> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA<br> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246<br> Email: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]= ov</a><br> WWW: =A0<a href=3D"http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/" target=3D"_blank">http= ://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/</a><br> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department<br> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA<br> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br> <div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: Ross Gardler <<a href=3D"mailto:rgardler-yabmN0NJNhHwJSu5WlVMogC/[email protected]">rgardl= er-yabmN0NJNhHwJSu5WlVMogC/[email protected]</a>><br> Reply-To: "<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]= g</a>" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]= g</a>><br> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 5:05 AM<br> To: "<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&= quot; <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&= gt;<br> Subject: Re: Any23 Community Discussion<br> <br> >Building a community for a small project is indeed hard work.<br> ><br> >Are there any other projects in the ASF that benefit from your<br> >existence? That is are there any projects that depend on your code?<br> ><br> >If there is then you might consider approaching those project<br> >communities and indicating that you are having problems getting<br> >releases out. Invite people from that PMC to join your own PMC so that<= br> >they can do IP reviews on our releases and continue to use the code.<br= > ><br> >If there are no direct dependencies are there any projects in a<br> >related space? You might find people willing to help out with IP<br> >reviews.<br> ><br> >As Luciano says having regular releases is important to building<br> >community. Therefore I suggest your first point of focus should be on<b= r> >ensuring you have people willing and able to help you get releases<br> >out. After that you can start focussing on attracting new<br> >contributors.<br> ><br> >Ross<br> ><br> >On 13 May 2013 15:56, Luciano Resende <<a href=3D"mailto:luckbr1975@= gmail.com">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> >> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Lewis John Mcgibbney<br> >> <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">lewis.mcgibbney@g= mail.com</a>> wrote:<br> >>> Hi All,<br> >>> Recently over at Apache Any23 we've been working towards a= release,<br> >>>however<br> >>> we discovered that apart from around 3 or so project committer= s there<br> >>>is an<br> >>> apparent lack of enthusiasm from within the community to VOTE = and for<br> >>>us to<br> >>> obtain quorum to release/make decisions.<br> >><br> >> 3 active PMC votes is what you need to get a release out.<br> >><br> >>> For clarity I've rolled back the release candidate and wan= ted to try<br> >>>and<br> >>> iron out some community issues, however I wanted some opinions= from<br> >>>you guys<br> >>> before I can form my own opinion of where I want to see the pr= oject<br> >>>going.<br> >><br> >> These discussions should really happen on the project dev list, an= d<br> >> should be a community decision...<br> >><br> >>> For me the attic is the last resort. As this week has progress= ed, and<br> >>>people<br> >>> have started to chime in on the discussion over on dev@any23, = I think<br> >>>that<br> >>> we will most likely not go to the attic.<br> >>> I am personally now recognizing that we have a small number of= <br> >>>community<br> >>> members who enjoy developing the software as "it works&qu= ot;, and in all<br> >>>honesty<br> >>> I am fine with that. I actually have the same user and dev<br> >>>requirements.<br> >>> Can anyone please provide me with examples/experiences of proj= ects<br> >>>which<br> >>> have "struggled" to stay afloat, but have continued = to push releases?<br> >>>I do<br> >>> not have experience of this and I am very keen to learn.<br> >><br> >> Wink is a small community, where some members really come to play = to<br> >> help get releases out. Having said that, we have a good number of<= br> >> users that benefit from releasing often.<br> >><br> >>> Thank you very much for reading.<br> >>> Lewis<br> >>><br> >>> --<br> >>> Lewis<br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >> --<br> >> Luciano Resende<br> >> <a href=3D"http://people.apache.org/~lresende" target=3D"_blank">h= ttp://people.apache.org/~lresende</a><br> >> <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/lresende1975" target=3D"_blank">http= ://twitter.com/lresende1975</a><br> >> <a href=3D"http://lresende.blogspot.com/" target=3D"_blank">http:/= /lresende.blogspot.com/</a><br> >><br> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ---<br> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <a href=3D"mailto:community-unsubscribe@ap= ache.org">[email protected]</a><br> >> For additional commands, e-mail: <a href=3D"mailto:community-help@= apache.org">[email protected]</a><br> >><br> ><br> >---------------------------------------------------------------------<b= r> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: <a href=3D"mailto:community-unsubscribe@apache.= org">[email protected]</a><br> >For additional commands, e-mail: <a href=3D"mailto:community-help@apach= e.org">[email protected]</a><br> ><br> <br> <br> ---------------------------------------------------------------------<br> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"= >[email protected]</a><br> For additional commands, e-mail: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= g">[email protected]</a><br> <br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>= NS </div> --047d7b3a9c8c02c41204dcb57a81--