Re: What's going on with Caldera?

"There is still plenty that can and should be happening in parallel."

I haven't been made aware of any of these activities and would LOVE to get started on them and show progress.

What might be the best place to start?



On 2026/04/10 03:55:36 Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi Rachel, Mark,
> 
> Thanks for the update, it’s helpful to understand where things are at.
> 
> However, I want to be very clear about expectations in the Apache Incubator, as this is fundamental to how projects operate here.
> 
> At the ASF, all project communication and decision-making must happen on the public mailing lists. This isn’t optional or just a preference; it’s a core part of the governance model. Work happening off-list (for example, via private email) is effectively invisible to the community, making it very difficult for mentors and the IPMC to assess progress or provide help.
> 
> From what’s been shared so far, there are a few immediate issues that need to be addressed:
> - All PPMC members and contributors should subscribe to the relevant mailing lists and start using them for all project communication
> - Questions, updates, and decisions should be moved onto the mailing lists rather than handled privately
> - The initial setup tasks (ICLAs, accounts, SGA progress, reporting) should be discussed openly so others can assist
> - Reporting needs to happen as required, especially in the early stages of incubation (see the Reporting Guide: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Reporting+Guide)
> 
> For reference, these pages outline how projects are expected to operate:
> - Communication in Apache Projects: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Communication+in+Apache+Projects
> - Governance in Practice: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Governance+in+Practice
> 
> Delays around the SGA are understandable, especially when legal teams are involved, but they shouldn't block other incubation activities. There is still plenty that can and should be happening in parallel.
> 
> At the moment, the main concern is not just slow progress, but a lack of visible community activity. Without that, it becomes difficult to justify the podling's continued incubation.
> 
> The good news is that this is fixable, and relatively quickly, if communication shifts onto the mailing lists and the community starts engaging there.
> 
> If you need guidance on working in the open at the ASF, mentors and the IPMC are here to help, but that support needs to happen on-list so others can see and contribute.
> 
> Can you confirm that going forward, all project communication will take place on the mailing lists, and outline the immediate next steps you plan to take?
> 
> Kind regards,
> Justin
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