[DISCUSS][VOTE] Graduate Apache Pony Mail as a Top-Level Project

> On Jul 11, 2026, at 8:20 AM, tison <[email protected]> wrote:
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> I have one question:
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> Back to [1] I remember that Sebb said, I quote:
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>> Not exactly. lists.a.o is hosted by a 3rd party.
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>> Lists.a.o is not under our control.
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> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lt7gft5fz200v7z0w2mt9qn1tvhryyxr

I was not completely correct here: =
https://lists.apache.org/thread/15b53dxhzdmwcdtz9khfvjho5479b88r

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> In this vote thread, it writes:
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>> It is actively deployed as lists.apache.org, serving the
>> entire ASF.
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> Which one is true now?

The answer as I=E2=80=99ve come to know from Sean and Daniel is that =
lists.apache.org is based on a SHA of Foal with (1) some OAuth related =
changes and (2) Elastic Search for the database.

These are areas which could likely be brought into alignment with the =
PMC version.
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> I'm always motivated to improve lists.a.o in multiple directions but =
never
> find a proper way to set up a local dev env and test, and understand =
how my
> patch would affect the production deployment.

Rich has lately been adding documentation, and I=E2=80=99m pretty =
confident that over time you will be able to make meaningful =
contributions.

Best,
Dave

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> Best,
> tison.
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> Dave Fisher <[email protected]> =E4=BA=8E2026=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8811=E6=97=A5=
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>>> On Jul 11, 2026, at 8:14 AM, Rich Bowen <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> Hi Incubator,
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>>> The Apache Pony Mail community has voted to graduate to a Top-Level
>>> Project. I am now calling a vote of the Incubator PMC to recommend
>>> graduation to the Board of Directors.
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>>> Background
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>>> Apache Pony Mail entered incubation in May 2016. The project =
provides
>>> a mail-archiving, archive viewing, and mailing list interaction
>>> service. It is actively deployed as lists.apache.org, serving the
>>> entire ASF.
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>>> The community has operated self-sufficiently for years, with all
>>> decisions made on the public dev@ list. The community vote passed
>>> with 7 +1 votes and 1 +0, with no vetoes:
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>>> +1: Rich Bowen, Jim Jagielski, Sean Palmer, Dave Fisher,
>>>     Christian Grobmeier, Daniel Gruno, John D. Ament
>>> +0: Sebb (wishes to remain committer but not join PMC)
>>> -1: (none)
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>>> Vote thread:
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/7xbgp4x0lhdxjxj3xoy5p7md2pn1krgb
>>> (Subject: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Pony Mail to a Top-Level Project)
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>>> Podling status page:
>>> https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/ponymail.html
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>>> Community vote thread ([email protected]):
>>> Subject: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Pony Mail to a Top-Level Project
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>>> Proposed Resolution
>>> -------------------
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>>> Establish the Apache Pony Mail Project
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>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
>>> of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
>>> establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation
>>> and maintenance of open-source software related to mail archiving,
>>> archive viewing, and mailing list interaction services, for
>>> distribution at no charge to the public.
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>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
>>> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Pony Mail Project", be and hereby
>>> is established pursuant to the Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it
>>> further
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>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Pony Mail Project be and hereby is
>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
>>> mail archiving, archive browsing, and mailing list interaction
>>> services; and be it further
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>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Pony Mail" be
>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at
>>> the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
>>> Pony Mail Project, and to have primary responsibility for management
>>> of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache
>>> Pony Mail Project; and be it further
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>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby
>>> are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Pony
>>> Mail Project:
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>>>   * Daniel Gruno        ([email protected])
>>>   * Dave Fisher          ([email protected])
>>>   * Jim Jagielski        ([email protected])
>>>   * Rich Bowen           ([email protected])
>>>   * Sean Palmer          ([email protected])
>>>   * Ulises               ([email protected])
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>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Rich Bowen be
>>> appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Pony Mail, to
>>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board
>>> of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death,
>>> resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a
>>> successor is appointed; and be it further
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>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Pony Mail Project be and hereby is
>>> tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache =
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>>> Pony Mail podling; and be it further
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>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Apache Incubator
>>> Pony Mail podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are
>>> hereafter discharged.
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>>> Vote
>>> ----
>>> Please vote on the resolution above:
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>>> [ ] +1  Recommend graduation of Apache Pony Mail to TLP
>>> [ ] +0  No opinion
>>> [ ] -1  Do not recommend graduation (please state reason)
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>>> This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours. Only IPMC member
>>> votes are binding.
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>>> Thanks,
>>> Rich
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