Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Pony Mail as a Top-Level Project

> On Jul 11, 2026, at 12:31=E2=80=AFPM, tison <[email protected]> =
wrote:
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> Hi Dave,
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> Thanks for your information!
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>> The answer as I=E2=80=99ve come to know from Sean and Daniel is that
> lists.apache.org is based on a SHA of Foal with (1) some OAuth related
> changes and (2) Elastic Search for the database.
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>> These are areas which could likely be brought into alignment with the =
PMC
> version.
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> May I ask what "a SHA of Foal" is?
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> I'm still uncertain on:
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> 1. Whether lists.a.o is run by a 3rdparty entity, or it's managed by =
the
> INFRA
> 2. If it's managed by the INFRA, and it sounds like it uses a =
different
> version from the one available on apache/incubator-pony-mail, where =
does
> the source come from?
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> At least this indicates the background section in the possible
> resolution should
> be adjusted.

You=E2=80=99re right. The background section shouldn=E2=80=99t mention =
lists.apache.org <http://lists.apache.org/> at all. The (proposed) =
PonyMail PMC does not run lists.apache.org <http://lists.apache.org/>, =
nor does it care about lists.apache.org <http://lists.apache.org/> - =
that was merely mentioned as an example of a deployment. The PMC has no =
interest in who runs lists.apache.org <http://lists.apache.org/> for the =
ASF. It is only concerned with the creation of the software. (some =
unspecified version of which might run at lists.apache.org =
<http://lists.apache.org/>, but we have no say in that, nor special =
insight into it.)

Let=E2=80=99s pretend that the last sentence of the first paragraph of =
the Background section is struck.

Discussion of lists.apache.org <http://lists.apache.org/>, who runs it, =
what Infra=E2=80=99s role in it is, or what version of PonyMail is =
running there, are very much off-topic in this specific discussion.

=E2=80=94Rich=