Commit rights in Logging

Hi all,

I have several groups here:
http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#logging

Like:
log4cxx
log4j
log4j2
log4php

and so on. Ivan wants to commit to log4j (the site) but he doesn't
have the group. So he ask me if he has enough rights. I myself have no
log4j group, but I can commit to log4j. Not sure why or if this is by
design.

I think these sub groups are pretty useless and would like to propose
that we just have two groups: logging and logging-pmc.

Personally I think there is no need for separation; if Ivan wants to
contribute to log4j and has been elected as logging committer, he
should be able to do that.

What do you think?

Cheers
Christian