Re: [VOTE] Combine the project user and dev mailing lists into user@ and dev@

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Based on the voting so far, it looks like merging user lists isn't desired.
I'm cool with that, so I'll -1 the user list merge as well. I'm still +1
for merging developer lists unless someone has a better idea. We shouldn't
have to rely on the private list for public discussions.

On 8 March 2017 at 06:38, Apache <[email protected]> wrote:

> The reason for doing this is a result of the last board meeting. The PMC
> had to discuss something on the private mailing list simply because PMC
> members don't subscribe to every list, nor do they want to, so it was not
> possible to have the discussion on the correct mailing list.
>
> Ralph
>
> On Mar 7, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed to half
> of them less than five minutes ago.
>
> This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing lists.
> The proposal is to combine them as follows:
>
> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ ->
> [email protected]
> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ ->
> [email protected]
>
> commits@ and private@ remain the same as before.
>
> The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases for the
> combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To distinguish
> between projects, a subject tag can be added such as:
>
> [java]
> [net]
> [cxx]
> [php]
>
> Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should help in
> gaining the attention of the appropriate audience.
>
> Voting:
>
> +1: Yes, combine the mailing lists!
> +0: Go ahead, don't care that much.
> -0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it.
> -1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea!
>
> This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at least 3 +1 binding, no
> -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be open
> for at least 72 hours.
>
> --
> Matt Sicker <[email protected]>
>
>


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Matt Sicker <[email protected]>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Based on the voting so far, it looks like merging user lis=
ts isn&#39;t desired. I&#39;m cool with that, so I&#39;ll -1 the user list =
merge as well. I&#39;m still +1 for merging developer lists unless someone =
has a better idea. We shouldn&#39;t have to rely on the private list for pu=
blic discussions.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On 8 March 2017 at 06:38, Apache <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"=
><div>The reason for doing this is a result of the last board meeting. The =
PMC had to discuss something on the private mailing list simply because PMC=
 members don&#39;t subscribe to every list, nor do they want to, so it was =
not possible to have the discussion on the correct mailing list.<span class=
=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span class=
=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div id=3D"m_-3899264141692311570AppleM=
ailSignature">Ralph</div></font></span><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br>On M=
ar 7, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Matt Sicker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I may be missing some mailing lists co=
nsidering I just subscribed to half of them less than five minutes ago.<div=
><br></div><div>This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services=
 mailing lists. The proposal is to combine them as follows:</div><div><br><=
/div><div>log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -&gt; <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]=
g</a></div><div>log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, g=
eneral@ -&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email protected]</a></div><div><br></div><div>commits@ and private@ =
remain the same as before.</div><div><br></div><div>The proposal would also=
 suggest that the old emails become aliases for the combined email names so=
 as not to lose any future emails. To distinguish between projects, a subje=
ct tag can be added such as:</div><div><br></div><div>[java]</div><div>[net=
]</div><div>[cxx]</div><div>[php]</div><div><br></div><div>Though I wouldn&=
#39;t think such a tag is required, though it should help in gaining the at=
tention of the appropriate audience.</div><div><br></div><div>Voting:</div>=
<div><br></div><div>+1: Yes, combine the mailing lists!</div><div>+0: Go ah=
ead, don&#39;t care that much.</div><div>-0: Don&#39;t like it, but not vet=
oing it.</div><div>-1: No, don&#39;t do that! I have a better idea!</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>This vote follows the same &quot;lazy consensus&quot; (at=
 least 3 +1 binding, no -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot.=
 The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></d=
iv>-- <br><div class=3D"m_-3899264141692311570gmail_signature">Matt Sicker =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]<=
/a>&gt;</div>
</div></div>
</div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"al=
l"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"g=
mail_signature">Matt Sicker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</div>
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