Re: HTTP and MPM support

I would like to add my voice to (at least) Russel's and Sive's.
Our situation (and I understand most of the non-Perl-PMC's interventors' in this thread is 
similar) is :
- we are interested in the future development of mod_perl, and are willing to "support" or 
"sponsor" such development
- we understand that nobody is actively working on mod_perl currently. What we do not 
know/understand clearly is "why not ?", and how to possibly change this situation
- we all have some programming resources available, but none of which have the current 
competences that we feel are necessary to undertake such development efficiently in the 
short term. That is because our organisations are mostly *users* of mod_perl, in the 
course of our main activity, which is to develop end-user-oriented application software, 
of which a part is currently based on Apache and mod_perl.
- we know that there are people in the mod_perl PMC which do have such competences. We do 
not know about their practical availability/willingness to do so.
- we have no hands-on experience of such kinds of open-source, "free" development 
projects, and we do not really know "what makes them tick"
- we all have some form of possible contribution in mind and among our possibilities, but 
so far, short apparently of providing ourselves some qualified programming staff to do the 
work (as Adam mentions below, and William did before him), it does not seem that there is 
any obvious avenue open to do so.

To wrap this up somewhat naively and roughly : if we just wanted to pour some money in 
such a project, to revive the interest of the current group of people which do have the 
competences and experience to work on this efficiently, how would we go about it ?
Or is this not possible/practical/sufficient ?
Could someone of the mod_perl PMC (or the Apache Foundation) take the lead about something 
like this, and somehow ask the right questions, and put together a proposal that could 
lead to such a "revival" of the Apache/mod_perl project ?
I believe that we could all collectively start by making a financial contribution to such 
a preliminary effort, if that is also what it takes to get it going.



On 07.02.2019 03:39, Adam Prime wrote:
> I can tell you that at least some of the PMC members are on this list. But I can
> also tell you that there is essentially no development going on right now. The
> PMC is essentially idle, and there aren't any plans to do anything with regards
> to improving support for newer MPM's. That said, the project is open source, and
> if there are people or companies out there with the skills and desire to work on
> those features, things can get merged, and people can get added to the PMC, or
> as project commiters to enable that.
>
> Adam
>
>
> On 1/28/19 1:30 PM, Russell Lundberg wrote:
>> As a long-time fan and user of mod_perl, I like so much the way this
>> conversation is turning.
>>
>> I also wonder if there is a formal process, perhaps an ASF process, for
>> coordinating the objectives voiced in this thread with the resources
>> required to achieve them?
>>
>> For example, I believe Steve Hay has led mod_perl2 development lately,
>> versions 2.0.9 and 2.0.10, anyway. Should he be engaged, or if the leadership
>> of the project has been handed off, whoever has taken over?  Do the project
>> steward(s) follow this mailing list?
>>
>> I don't mean to get in the way of positive and well-intended progress. I love
>> mod_perl and only want the best for its future development.
>>
>> But there might be other development plans in progress with which coordination
>> would be helpful.
>>
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>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 8:04 AM John Dunlap <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>     I will second what Sive is saying. My organization does not have in-house
>>     experience writing C code(our internal skill sets are web application and
>>     database development) but we are potentially interested in sponsoring some
>>     development on mod_perl with the goal of adding support for mpm_worker and
>>     or mpm_event because we are interested in taking advantage of mod_http2.
>>     In addition to our sponsorship, we could also assist in testing changes
>>     and provided segfaults and debugging/environmental information from out
>>     development and testing environments. Is anyone who is able to do this
>>     kind of development interested in having a conversation with Sive and
>>     myself with respect to sponsoring some development?
>>
>>     On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 1:11 AM Sive Lindmark <[email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi William!
>>
>>         Count on us, my firm can sponsor work as I stated before, and also
>>         contribute setting up test cases and perhaps also do some coding if we
>>         have the knowledge to do whats needed.
>>         My coders are not used to be part of any open source project, so we
>>         can not take any leading roll though.
>>
>>         How could a sponsor model work?
>>
>>         I have followed crypto world for some time now, and they sometimes set
>>         up price for someone thats achieve a goal. Something we can do here?
>>
>>         /Sive
>>
>>
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