Re: UMD license

Hi,

For what it's worth, I got written approval yesterday for
straight BSD language, based on the earlier message from
Jean-Louis.

Will that be ok, or is there further discussion needed yet?

Thanks,
-Chap


On 08/08/2017 03:06 PM, Chapman Flack wrote:
> When I looked at the two options in [1], they seemed to be either
> (a) a BSD-like license without assignment of copyright, or (b)
> a GPLv2 license *with* a copyright assignment form and contributor's
> agreement, and a shirt.
> 
> So, at my workplace, there is some flexibility for me to contribute
> to open source upstream projects without having to go through the
> intellectual-property officers, under typical circumstances. A regular
> BSD license would fall under "typical circumstances", but the UMD
> license, as written, is unusual because it turns all the "copyright
> holders" and "contributors" into UMD.
> 
> As for GPLv2, there are probably decent chances I could get that
> approved, but with the contributor agreement and assignment form
> to be signed, there are additional layers of people in suits whom
> I would have to track down, and present to, and await their verdict.
> 
> I'd rather follow a path of less friction if there is one. (Honestly,
> I think the guys in suits would prefer that too; I doubt they really
> want to be brought in every time a staff admin wants to contribute
> to a backup system, they want to be looking at the big ideas with
> revenue potential.)
> 
> Thanks for weighing in,
> -Chap
> 
> 
> On 08/08/17 09:20, Dustin J. Mitchell wrote:
>> Maybe I missed the beginning of this thread -- are you unable to contribute
>> under GPLv2?
>>
>> Yes, the attribution to UM (which doesn't even really want it anymore..)
>> was what drove us to re-license, and I chose GPLv2 in part since it did a
>> good job of constraining Zmanda's behavior with respect to Amanda as a
>> whole.  So now the options are bsaically:
>>
>>  1. contribute as yourself under GPL; or
>>  2. contribute as UM (via the UM license) and have your contribution then
>> incorporated into a GPL product and thus be covered by GPL
>>
>> so if we add a third option it will be very similar to the second, meaning
>> you are still effectively contributing under GPLv2, just without
>> disclaiming ownership.
>>
>> Dustin
>>
>> 2017-08-07 18:39 GMT-04:00 Chapman Flack <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> Hi Jean-Louis,
>>>
>>> Thanks - I'll check with the higher-ups, but I think the straight
>>> BSD license will be easy to get cleared.
>>>
>>> -Chap
>>>
>>> On 08/07/2017 10:21 AM, Jean-Louis Martineau wrote:
>>>> Hi Chapman,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the delay, been in vacation and busy.
>>>>
>>>> Is it correct for you if I add the attached 'COPYRIGHT.BSD' file and
>>>> allow you to release under that license?
>>>>
>>>> Jean-Louis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19/06/17 10:20 AM, Chapman Flack wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> If a contribution is made under the UMD license, which is called
>>>>> "BSD-style" in [1], does that mean the exact language in [2], or
>>>>> with edits to show the copyright held by the contributor (as [1]
>>>>> provides)?
>>>>>
>>>>> When I compare it to an unaltered 3-clause BSD license [3],
>>>>> the UMD license seems to have taken out all references to
>>>>> "copyright holders" and "contributors" and replaced them
>>>>> with only "U.M." If new files get contributed with exactly that
>>>>> wording at the top, it's not clear any interests of the contributor
>>>>> are protected.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see that there have been past contributions from my place of work
>>>>> (by John R. Jackson) and they were made under UMD, and I tried looking
>>>>> through the repo to find the exact header at the top of any file he
>>>>> may have contributed, but all I could find was a file with
>>>>> no header at the top, so not quite the conclusive example I
>>>>> was looking for. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Chap
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]: http://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/Licensing_your_Contribution
>>>>> <http://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/Licensing_your_Contribution>
>>>>> [2]: https://github.com/zmanda/amanda/blob/tags/3_2_3/COPYRIGHT
>>>>> <https://github.com/zmanda/amanda/blob/tags/3_2_3/COPYRIGHT>
>>>>> [3]: https://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause
>>>>> <https://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause>
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