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> On Oct 13, 2020, at 10:32 AM, John Becker [email protected] [EAC] <EA=
[email protected]> wrote:
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> I don't think any of them used the premium option, and none of them seem=
to have had any problems with the limitations of the free option.
Paying a modest sum every month would at least create a contract between us=
and groups.io <http://groups.io/>. With a free service, it can be degrade=
d or killed by the provider with us having no recourse. Just food for thou=
ght...
> I am greatly disgusted with Yahoo for their treatment of millions of Yaho=
o groups participants. :-(
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It=E2=80=99s annoying for us, but it=E2=80=99s devastating to members of Ya=
hoo Groups that exist for people suffering from horrible, and even fatal, i=
llnesses like thyroid cancer, liver cancer, and cystic fibrosis.=20
It=E2=80=99s capitalism at work: Once Yahoo decided that the groups didn=
=E2=80=99t benefit them financially, they killed them off.=20
If there are no laws or regulations limiting, prohibiting, or penalizing su=
ch behavior by companies, then it will continue unabated, and with all of t=
he fairness of four wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
It=E2=80=99s not only Yahoo that kills off services that users rely on. Ju=
st look at everything Google has offered and then killed off: https://kill=
edbygoogle.com/ <https://killedbygoogle.com/>
After years of neglect, Yahoo intentionally sabotaged the groups by taking =
away basic capabilities like the message archives, digest mode, online acce=
ss, and moderation. Now they have cited the reduced usage that they intent=
ionally caused as a justification to kill the groups function entirely. =
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As a moderator, it was extremely frustrating to deal with the inexplicable =
limitations in Yahoo=E2=80=99s interface.=20=20
I could see hundreds of email addresses in the group which had been bouncin=
g every piece of mail for years, but I had no way to tell Yahoo! to unsubsc=
ribe those addresses en masse. So every time a message was sent, Yahoo=E2=
=80=99s mail servers would pound on mail servers containing those long-dead=
addresses. If someone signed up from their work address and then left tha=
t job in 2010, the Yahoo Groups mail server will have spent the last decade=
beating on that company=E2=80=99s mail server every time a message was sen=
t on our list. You would think that getting a 550 error of "no-such-addres=
s=E2=80=9D would cause Yahoo to unsubscribe the address, or at least suspen=
d delivery attempts. But, nope, it just kept right on pounding away at the=
servers.=20=20
About 60% of our members, many of whom used to access the messages using th=
e Yahoo Groups web interface, are now set to =E2=80=9CNo Emails.=E2=80=9D =
I have no way, as a group moderator, to even send an administrative message=
to those users to tell them that the group is moving.=20
I won=E2=80=99t belabor the point with even more examples.
Regards,
Fred Maxwell
Moderator, Exact Audio Copy Yahoogroup
Note: All of the above was beautifully formatted, but you=E2=80=99ll proba=
bly just have to take my word on that given how often Yahoo mangles message=
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ws:</font><div class><br class><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class><div cl=
ass><font style=3D"font-size: 14px;" face=3D"Verdana" class>On Oct 13, 2020=
, at 10:32 AM, John Becker <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class>j=
[email protected]</a> [EAC] <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" c=
lass>[email protected]</a>> wrote:</font></div></blockquote><div></div=
><blockquote type=3D"cite" class><div><font style=3D"font-size: 14px;" face=
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e=3D"cite" class><font style=3D"font-size: 14px;" face=3D"Verdana" class><s=
pan style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class> I don't thi=
nk any of them used the premium option, </span><span style=3D"backgrou=
nd-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class>and none of them seem to have had any =
problems with the limitations of </span><span style=3D"background-colo=
r: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class>the free option.</span></font></blockquote></=
div><div><font style=3D"font-size: 14px;" face=3D"Verdana" class><br class>=
</font></div><div><font style=3D"font-size: 14px;" face=3D"Verdana" class>P=
aying a modest sum every month would at least create a contract between us =
and <a href=3D"http://groups.io" class>groups.io</a>. With a free ser=
vice, it can be degraded or killed by the provider with us having no recour=
se. Just food for thought...</font></div><font style=3D"font-size: 14=
px;" face=3D"Verdana" class><br class></font><blockquote type=3D"cite" clas=
s><div class><div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"font-style: normal;letter-spac=
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ss><p style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class><font style=3D"font-size: 14px;"=
face=3D"Verdana" class>I am greatly disgusted with Yahoo for their treatme=
nt of millions of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Yahoo g=
roups participants. :-(<br class></font></p></div></div></div></div></block=
quote></div><div class><div class><font face=3D"Verdana" style=3D"font-size=
: 14px;" class>It=E2=80=99s annoying for us, but it=E2=80=99s devastating t=
o members of Yahoo Groups that exist for people suffering from horrible, an=
d even fatal, illnesses like thyroid cancer, liver cancer, and cystic fibro=
sis. </font></div><div class><div id=3D"fromDMARC" style=3D"margin-top=
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27, 227);background-color: rgb(227, 227, 227);" class></div><div class></di=
v></div></div><div class><span style=3D"color: rgb(185, 45, 93);font-family=
: Verdana;font-size: large;" class>It=E2=80=99s capitalism at work: O=
nce Yahoo decided that the groups didn=E2=80=99t benefit them financially, =
they killed them off.</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(185, 45, 93);font-fam=
ily: Verdana;font-size: large;" class> </span></div><div class><div cl=
ass><br class></div><div class><font style=3D"font-size: 14px;" face=3D"Ver=
dana" class><i class>If there are no laws or regulations limiting, prohibit=
ing, or penalizing such behavior by companies, then it will continue unabat=
ed, and with all of the fairness of four wolves and a sheep voting on what =
to have for dinner.</i></font></div></div><div class><font style=3D"font-si=
ze: 14px;" face=3D"Verdana" class><br class></font></div><div class><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 14px;font-family: Verdana;" class>It=E2=80=99s not only =
Yahoo that kills off services that users rely on. Just look at everyt=
hing Google has offered and then killed off: </span><a href=3D"https:=
//killedbygoogle.com/" style=3D"font-size: 14px;font-family: Verdana;" clas=
s>https://killedbygoogle.com/</a></div><div class><div id=3D"fromDMARC" sty=
le=3D"margin-top: 10px;" class><div id=3D"fromDMARC" style=3D"margin-top: 1=
0px;" class><hr style=3D"height: 2px;border-width: 0px;color: rgb(227, 227,=
227);background-color: rgb(227, 227, 227);" class></div><div class></div><=
div class><font style=3D"font-size: 14px;" face=3D"Verdana" class>After yea=
rs of neglect, Yahoo intentionally sabotaged the groups by taking away basi=
c capabilities like the message archives, digest mode, online access, and m=
oderation. Now they have cited the reduced usage that they intentiona=
lly caused as a justification to kill the groups function entirely. <=
/font></div><div class><font style=3D"font-size: 14px;" face=3D"Verdana" cl=
ass><br class></font></div><div class><font style=3D"font-size: 14px;" face=
=3D"Verdana" class><i class>As a moderator, it was extremely frustrating to=
deal with the inexplicable limitations in Yahoo=E2=80=99s interface.  =
;</i></font></div><div class><font style=3D"font-size: 14px;" face=3D"Verda=
na" class><br class></font></div><div class><font style=3D"font-size: 14px;=
" face=3D"Verdana" class>I could see hundreds of email addresses in the gro=
up which had been bouncing every piece of mail for years, but I had no way =
to tell Yahoo! to unsubscribe those addresses en masse. So every time=
a message was sent, Yahoo=E2=80=99s mail servers would pound on mail serve=
rs containing those long-dead addresses. If someone signed up from th=
eir work address and then left that job in 2010, the Yahoo Groups mail serv=
er will have spent the last decade beating on that company=E2=80=99s mail s=
erver every time a message was sent on our list. You would think that=
getting a 550 error of "no-such-address=E2=80=9D would cause Yahoo to unsu=
bscribe the address, or at least suspend delivery attempts. But, nope=
, it just kept right on pounding away at the servers. </font></div><d=
iv class><font face=3D"Verdana" class><br class></font></div><div class><fo=
nt style=3D"font-size: 14px;" face=3D"Verdana" class>About 60% of our membe=
rs, many of whom used to access the messages using the Yahoo Groups web int=
erface, are now set to =E2=80=9CNo Emails.=E2=80=9D I have no way, as=
a group moderator, to even send an administrative message to those users t=
o tell them that the group is moving. </font></div><div class><font st=
yle=3D"font-size: 14px;" face=3D"Verdana" class><br class></font></div><div=
class><font face=3D"Verdana" class><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class>=
I won=E2=80=99t belabor the point with even more examples.</span></font></d=
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gards,<br class></font><div class><font face=3D"Verdana" style=3D"font-size=
: 14px;" class><span class> Fred Maxwell</span><br class><span class>=
Moderator, Exact Audio Copy Yahoogroup</span></font></div></div><div=
class><font face=3D"Verdana" style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class><br class></=
font></div><div class>Note: All of the above was beautifully formatte=
d, but you=E2=80=99ll probably just have to take my word on that given how =
often Yahoo mangles message formatting.</div></div><div class><br class></d=
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