Re: Working Logic 8/PT system with DTDM/ESB

I totally agree with Tiger on this.Logic 7.2.3 on PT 7.3.x on my G5 is a rig I can work 
with.Logic 8.0.1 on the same rig,well,just plain feels like a giant workflow step back.I 
especially hate clicking out of a folder brings you back to the seq start,rather than the 
window keeping the song pointer in view as in 7.Lots of great new features in 8,but hate 
not being able to really define my window layout like before. sounds different too,which I 
confess I like better,but for serious scoring,I may have to move on.I don't usually write 
songs,so maybe the songwriters here like the new version better.
 Really hate the media management bug/hiccup.Workflow killer.Hate not being able to 
select multiple regions in the arrange/edit list and move them by double clicking on the 
first one and entering a time.Used to use this all the time to import omf's.Easy way to grab 
and move all regions in one go-assuming you know the start time of the first region.Gone 
now.No more import markers from a midi file created in Pro tools.Usefull for meetings 
with the director or to grab markers created by another user-say sfx editor.The automatic 
track management option does not respond to the off setting if the song opened with it 
on.Really hate the way midi tracks look now with the notes being replaced by note 
lines,which don't show up unless you zoom in to a ridiculously detailed zoom.Display 
bugs there too.Hate not being able to have the option of double clicking a sequence opens 
the piano roll as a seperate window as before.
  Overall,logic 7 worked for me,bugs et all.Logic 8 has let me down in a big way.Lost a 
show episode because the session got corrupt.(just closed it after a save,opened another 
session,and boom,it was forever after bad)Had to re create it by turing off the audio 
drivers and manually copy/pasting signature/tempos,midi and audio one group at a time 
into a virgin project to be able to recover.This is a fix I've used in the past,but it really 
makes me wonder about this new version......Sorry for the rant,but no one at Apple seems 
to want to pay attention.I'm slow to move,,but DP becons move everyday now.Workflow 
and setup and stability matter more to me than anything else.
My humble two cents
David Burns
ps-I've got a Mac pro 8 core at home I'm futzing with,and it seems less sluggish,but I've 
lost confidence enough with LP8 that it won't get close to work that matters to me at the 
moment.I'm also not clear on the compatibility between Intel sessions and PPC sessions....

--- In [email protected], Greg Critchley <greg@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Tiger
> 
> Isn't it interesting - 2 opposing posts in one day - one person has 2  
> working systems and one has a system with serious bugs and ongoing  
> frustration.
> 
> I would love to figure out what makes the difference...maybe PCI vs.  
> PCIx, or the model of G5, or more likely, the combination of software  
> versions (PT/LOGIC and OS). So many many of us have abandoned the  
> DTDM/ESB thing that the few of us that stay with it must now hold the  
> key to the timeless secrets of life.
> 
> OK, I've been mixing too long tonight,
> 
> Thanks for the responses - please keep 'em coming
> 
> Greg
> 
> PS - anyone know if my PCI cards (HD2) will work in anything beyond a  
> G5 Dual 2GHz?
> 
> 
> On Mar 23, 2008, at 8:33 AM, tiger wrote:
> 
> > Message posted by tiger <tiger@...>:
> >
> >  as of today logic 8 and tdm is full of bugs, there are all the old  
> > logic 7 bugs plus some very annoying new entries.
> >  I do not know the situation with mac intels, but with PPC you should  
> > get the latest released g5, like dual 2.7 or quad and stay with logic  
> > 7.2.3, i'm using PT 7.1, this is the best combination of stability and  
> > bugs for use Logic DTDM in osx.
> >  THE BEST VERSION ANYWAY IS STILL THE LOGIC 6 PRO IN OS9 !!!!!
> >
> >  Consider that going to PT7 you will loose all HTDM plug-ins, in PT7  
> > they have been substituted by RTAS2, so in other words you can't use  
> > them in Logic anymore (assuming you have any of that).
> >
> >  Wish they fix tdm issues with next logic release.
> >
> >  If you want to use Logic 8 be prepared as probably solo doesn't works  
> > as expected and there are some problems with stereo splitted files,  
> > add to it all the old logic 7 bugs that are still alive and you will  
> > have one of the crapppiest combinations ;)
> >
> >  Logic 7.1.1 i remember clearly that was really unstable, LOT of  
> > crashes, expecially when you use extensively DTDM, logic 7.2 has  
> > solved most of that crashes, i mean now instead of crash it reloads  
> > DTDM (like when you open the song), that is much better than crash!!!
> >
> >  Actually i'm using logic 8.0.1 but i've switched my workflow, i've  
> > turned off DTDM and i'm using core audio with a big ADAT rig to go  
> > into TDM, go back some threads if you want more infos.
> >  I still use Logic 7.2.3 when i want to work extensively in TDM.
> >
> >  hope this helps bye!!!
> >
> >  My CFG
> >
> >  G5 dual 2.5 PPC agp/pcix
> >  PT Accel HD2
> >  Logic 7.2.3 for TDM + ESB
> >  Logic 8.0.1 for TDM + Core audio(motu 2408)
> >  Pro Tools 7.1cs10
> >  OSX 10.4.9
> >  Digidesign 96
> >  Digidesign 96i
> >  Digidesign ADAT Bridge I/O
> >  Digidesign 1622 (unconnected right now, i need adats)
> >  
> >       
> 
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>




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