Re: Radio Loudness

<[email protected]> Thu, 25 Aug 2022 18:54:51 -0700
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I invite the list to also check out this work from AES regarding =
loudness standards in streaming media=20
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https://www.aes.org/technical/documentDownloads.cfm?docID=3D731
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Jump to this section: Loudness and Dynamic Range Control Metadata
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The relevancy in this thread is that there has been extensive discussion =
amongst AES leadership and members regarding the problem of loudness and =
dynamic range standards between content and chiefly, device =
manufacturers responsible for playback.
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The consumers are suffering because there is not yet a standard for =
identifying the proper volume that content should be played back at.=20

This is important because the proper dynamic range of the playback =
environment is dependent upon factors including if the users are wearing =
headphones, desktop speakers, prosumer speaker (home theater =
environment), Alexa=E2=80=99s and smart speakers etc=E2=80=A6=20

The usual has been to drive the audio up towards peak gain. A horrible =
technique as we all know.=20

Those running DSP and conditioning could be presenting a nice stream. =
But there may be reasons to further adjust it. Especially if the station =
is being changed.
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The committee is recommending standardizing on -24 lufs to provide =
adequate performance of the audio path, and a balance of headroom. But =
the important part you are inquiring about, is communicating the proper =
volume level to the end device, so it can be its own decisions about the =
final output gain. That is why there is a metadata layer to show the =
intended loudness. If the playback environment can match the actual =
speaker environments, we can both give the content at the best loudness =
and adjust it for proper playback.
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At any rate, please take a look. I would be curious comments on if this =
approach could be implemented=20
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Cheers!
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Excerpt of the public doc --- Examples of the Benefits of Loudness and =
DRC Metadata
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=E2=80=A2 Loudness metadata is used by compliant players to normalize =
content loudness preceding the
user=E2=80=99s volume control. By allowing the playback device control =
of loudness normalization,
distributors can store and/or distribute content with its original =
loudness and dynamics. The
loudness metadata must be set properly for the distribution system being =
used so that the
recommended Distribution Loudness values (or relative values) in Table 1 =
are achieved in
playback. ANSI/CTA-2075 compliant players will apply peak limiting if =
needed to prevent their
output amplifiers from clipping.


=E2=80=A2 Dynamic Range Control metadata is included with the content at =
encoding without altering the
original audio. It allows a player to optionally reduce the dynamic =
range of the content it
receives, accommodating the capabilities of the playback device, noise =
environment and/or the
listener=E2=80=99s choice. Listeners in noisier conditions can set a =
limited dynamic range for improved
audibility, while listeners in quiet environments can choose to enjoy =
the content=E2=80=99s full dynamic
range.
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President & Founder at StreamGuys

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From: Icecast-dev <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Roman =
Gorshunov
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 12:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Icecast-dev] Radio Loudness
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You are welcome. I will be interested to hear how specifically you will =
make it work.
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Regards,
Roman

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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Colorful 3"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 2"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 3"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 5"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 1"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 7"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 8"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 7"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 8"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table 3D effects 1"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table 3D effects 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table 3D effects 3"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Contemporary"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Elegant"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Professional"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Subtle 1"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Subtle 2"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Web 1"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Web 2"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Balloon Text"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"39" Name=3D"Table Grid"/>
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Text"/>
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Name=3D"No Spacing"/>
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Shading"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"61" Name=3D"Light List"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid"/>
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1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"64" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"65" Name=3D"Medium List =
1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"66" Name=3D"Medium List =
2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"67" Name=3D"Medium Grid =
1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"68" Name=3D"Medium Grid =
2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"69" Name=3D"Medium Grid =
3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"70" Name=3D"Dark List"/>
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Shading"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"72" Name=3D"Colorful =
List"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful =
Grid"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Name=3D"List Paragraph"/>
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Name=3D"Quote"/>
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Name=3D"Intense Quote"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Shading Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful Grid =
Accent 1"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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1 Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Shading Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful Grid =
Accent 2"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid =
Accent 3"/>
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1 Accent 3"/>
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2 Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Shading Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"72" Name=3D"Colorful List =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful Grid =
Accent 3"/>
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Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"61" Name=3D"Light List =
Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid =
Accent 4"/>
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1 Accent 4"/>
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2 Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"69" Name=3D"Medium Grid 3 =
Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
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Shading Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful Grid =
Accent 4"/>
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Accent 5"/>
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Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid =
Accent 5"/>
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1 Accent 5"/>
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2 Accent 5"/>
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Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"66" Name=3D"Medium List 2 =
Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"67" Name=3D"Medium Grid 1 =
Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"68" Name=3D"Medium Grid 2 =
Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"69" Name=3D"Medium Grid 3 =
Accent 5"/>
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Accent 5"/>
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Shading Accent 5"/>
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Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful Grid =
Accent 5"/>
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Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"61" Name=3D"Light List =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"63" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
1 Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"64" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
2 Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"65" Name=3D"Medium List 1 =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"66" Name=3D"Medium List 2 =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"67" Name=3D"Medium Grid 1 =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"68" Name=3D"Medium Grid 2 =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"69" Name=3D"Medium Grid 3 =
Accent 6"/>
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Accent 6"/>
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Shading Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"72" Name=3D"Colorful List =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful Grid =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"19" QFormat=3D"true" =
Name=3D"Subtle Emphasis"/>
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Name=3D"Intense Emphasis"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"31" QFormat=3D"true" =
Name=3D"Subtle Reference"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"32" QFormat=3D"true" =
Name=3D"Intense Reference"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"33" QFormat=3D"true" =
Name=3D"Book Title"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"37" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Bibliography"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"39" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" QFormat=3D"true" Name=3D"TOC Heading"/>
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1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"42" Name=3D"Plain Table =
2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"43" Name=3D"Plain Table =
3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"44" Name=3D"Plain Table =
4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"45" Name=3D"Plain Table =
5"/>
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Light"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"46" Name=3D"Grid Table 1 =
Light"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"47" Name=3D"Grid Table 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"48" Name=3D"Grid Table 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"Grid Table 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"50" Name=3D"Grid Table 5 =
Dark"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"51" Name=3D"Grid Table 6 =
Colorful"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"52" Name=3D"Grid Table 7 =
Colorful"/>
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Light Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"48" Name=3D"Grid Table 3 =
Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"Grid Table 4 =
Accent 1"/>
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Dark Accent 1"/>
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Colorful Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"52" Name=3D"Grid Table 7 =
Colorful Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"46" Name=3D"Grid Table 1 =
Light Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"48" Name=3D"Grid Table 3 =
Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"Grid Table 4 =
Accent 2"/>
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Dark Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"51" Name=3D"Grid Table 6 =
Colorful Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"52" Name=3D"Grid Table 7 =
Colorful Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"46" Name=3D"Grid Table 1 =
Light Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"47" Name=3D"Grid Table 2 =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"48" Name=3D"Grid Table 3 =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"Grid Table 4 =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"50" Name=3D"Grid Table 5 =
Dark Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"51" Name=3D"Grid Table 6 =
Colorful Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"52" Name=3D"Grid Table 7 =
Colorful Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"46" Name=3D"Grid Table 1 =
Light Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"47" Name=3D"Grid Table 2 =
Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"48" Name=3D"Grid Table 3 =
Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"Grid Table 4 =
Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"50" Name=3D"Grid Table 5 =
Dark Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"51" Name=3D"Grid Table 6 =
Colorful Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"52" Name=3D"Grid Table 7 =
Colorful Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"46" Name=3D"Grid Table 1 =
Light Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"47" Name=3D"Grid Table 2 =
Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"48" Name=3D"Grid Table 3 =
Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"Grid Table 4 =
Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"50" Name=3D"Grid Table 5 =
Dark Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"51" Name=3D"Grid Table 6 =
Colorful Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"52" Name=3D"Grid Table 7 =
Colorful Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"46" Name=3D"Grid Table 1 =
Light Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"47" Name=3D"Grid Table 2 =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"48" Name=3D"Grid Table 3 =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"Grid Table 4 =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"50" Name=3D"Grid Table 5 =
Dark Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"51" Name=3D"Grid Table 6 =
Colorful Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"52" Name=3D"Grid Table 7 =
Colorful Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"46" Name=3D"List Table 1 =
Light"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"47" Name=3D"List Table 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"48" Name=3D"List Table 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"List Table 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"50" Name=3D"List Table 5 =
Dark"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"51" Name=3D"List Table 6 =
Colorful"/>
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vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D'tab-interval:.5in;word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-=
bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I invite the list to also check out =
this work from AES regarding loudness standards in streaming media =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-=
bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-=
bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><a =
href=3D"https://www.aes.org/technical/documentDownloads.cfm?docID=3D731">=
https://www.aes.org/technical/documentDownloads.cfm?docID=3D731</a><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-=
bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-=
bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Jump to this section: =
</span>Loudness and Dynamic Range Control Metadata<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The =
relevancy in this thread is that there has been extensive discussion =
amongst AES leadership and members regarding the problem of loudness and =
dynamic range standards between content and chiefly, device =
manufacturers responsible for playback.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The =
consumers are suffering because there is not yet a standard for =
identifying the proper volume that content should be played back at. =
<br><br>This is important because the proper dynamic range of the =
playback environment is dependent upon factors including if the users =
are wearing headphones, desktop speakers, prosumer speaker (home theater =
environment), Alexa=E2=80=99s and smart speakers etc=E2=80=A6 =
<br><br>The usual has been to drive the audio up towards peak gain. A =
horrible technique as we all know. <br><br>Those running DSP and =
conditioning could be presenting a nice stream. But there may be reasons =
to further adjust it. Especially if the station is being =
changed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The committee is recommending standardizing on -24 =
lufs to provide adequate performance of the audio path, and a balance of =
headroom. But the important part you are inquiring about, is =
communicating the proper volume level to the end device, so it can be =
its own decisions about the final output gain. That is why there is a =
metadata layer to show the intended loudness. If the playback =
environment can match the actual speaker environments, we can both give =
the content at the best loudness and adjust it for proper =
playback.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>At any rate, please take a look. I would be curious =
comments on if this approach could be implemented <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Excerpt of =
the public doc --- Examples of the Benefits of Loudness and DRC =
Metadata<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=A2 Loudness metadata is used by compliant =
players to normalize content loudness preceding the<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>user=E2=80=99s volume control. By allowing the =
playback device control of loudness normalization,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>distributors can store and/or distribute content with =
its original loudness and dynamics. The<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>loudness metadata must be set properly for the =
distribution system being used so that the<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>recommended Distribution Loudness values (or relative =
values) in Table 1 are achieved in<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>playback. ANSI/CTA-2075 compliant players will apply =
peak limiting if needed to prevent their<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>output amplifiers from clipping.<br =
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!supportLineBreakNewLine]><br =
style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'><![endif]><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=A2 Dynamic Range Control metadata is included =
with the content at encoding without altering the<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>original audio. It allows a player to optionally =
reduce the dynamic range of the content it<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>receives, accommodating the capabilities of the =
playback device, noise environment and/or the<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>listener=E2=80=99s choice. Listeners in noisier =
conditions can set a limited dynamic range for improved<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>audibility, while listeners in quiet environments can =
choose to enjoy the content=E2=80=99s full dynamic<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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src=3D"cid:[email protected]" =
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:none'><img border=3D0 width=3D24 height=3D24 id=3D"Picture_x0020_37" =
src=3D"cid:[email protected]" =
alt=3DStreamGuys></span></a><span =
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:none'><img border=3D0 width=3D24 height=3D24 id=3D"Picture_x0020_36" =
src=3D"cid:[email protected]" =
alt=3DStreamGuys></span></a><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;ms=
o-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td></t=
r></table><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-=
bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman"'> Icecast-dev &lt;[email protected]&gt; <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Roman Gorshunov<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 25, 2022 =
12:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> [email protected]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email protected]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Icecast-dev] Radio =
Loudness<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>You are welcome. I will be interested to hear how =
specifically you will make it work.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Roman<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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