Re: [mb-users] Rare transcriptions

I had planned to do CSG works structure as my next RFC anyway, so let's see
if we can agree on something here.

Different versions of a work - when should a new work be created?

2012/10/2 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren <[email protected]>

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>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Alex Mauer <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> On 10/02/2012 03:05 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
>> > I am always annoyed by this kind of edit: this is not a recording of
>> Clair
>> > de lune but of a transcription of it. IMO this edit is currently valid,
>> > because there is no other way to enter it. I know we decided we
>> shouldn't
>> > create a new work for each transcription, and I agree that in cases
>> such as
>> > this one it would be overkill and it would clutter the database with
>> Works
>> > with only one Recording. But wouldn't adding a "transcription"
>> attribute to
>> > the Recording-Work AR be a good idea?
>>
>> I would say they should be separate works, and we should improve our
>> display of related works.
>>
>> I just ran into BWV 645 which is a transcription for organ of BWV 140 so
>> obviously the traditional catalogs do this at least in some cases.
>>
>>
> Personally, I'd agree with making all transcriptions separate works (and
> making works include instrumentation info). Of course, that gets messy
> sometimes when we don't know what a specific recording is, so we'd need
> some kind of catch-all work for those... :/
>
>
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"Wachet auf" is a good example. There's the original chorale by Nicolai
(1599), two versions by JS Bach, and lots of transcriptions/arrangements
that can be based on Bach's organ version or the orchestral version -
probably impossible to tell in many cases. Also the same arrangement (say
for violin & piano) can of course be performed on many different
instruments.

How should this fit together?

1) Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme by Philipp Nicolai ("earliest version"?)
2) Zion hört die Wächter singen by JS Bach (Tenor Choral from BWV 140)
3) Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme, BWV 645 by JS Bach (organ transcription
of 2)
4) Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme by JS Bach (Coro from BWV 140)


and 3 random arrangements:

A1) Wachet auf by JS Bach (possibly based on 3)
http://www.amazon.com/Canadian-Brass-More-Greatest-Hits/dp/B000003EO3
A2) Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme by JS Bach (probably an orchestral
transcription of 2)
http://www.amazon.com/Sleepers-Awake-Cantata-No-140/dp/B001BEEC76
A3) Piano arrangment by Wilhelm Kempff
http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/cat/single?sort=newest_rec&COMP_ID=BACJS&PRODUCT_NR=4790314&ART_ID=KEMWI&flow_per_page=50&UNBUYABLE=1&per_page=50&presentation=flow(DG
website has a title based on BWV140, a cover scan of another release
had "Organ prelude")

Thoughts?

/symphonick

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