Re: [mb-users] DVD audio rips: official or bootleg?

I have added a lot of DVD-Audio releases (and several CD+DVD releases).  In=
 my opinion the track lengths should match the chapter lengths on the DVD. =
 The track order should reflect what is on the cover and/or what is reflect=
ed on the DVD menus (hopefully they are the same, but not always so some ju=
dgement has to be used sometimes).  If there is a chapter break/chapter tha=
t doesn't exist on the cover as is common with "End Titles" on music video =
compilations, etc. I do include that as what is on the medium should be ref=
lected.

If someone ripped a live CD and edited out the banter, you wouldn't add tha=
t edited version to MusicBrainz, you would reflect what is on the CD so DVD=
's should be done the same.


On Oct 5, 2014, at 4:05 AM, lixobix <[email protected]> wrote:

> Nicol=E1s Tamargo de Eguren wrote
>> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM, lixobix &lt;
> =

>> arjtaplin@
> =

>> &gt; wrote:
>> =

>>> I'm talking about releases that are the entire audio track extracted fr=
om
>>> a
>>> (usually musical) DVD. Should these be added as bootlegs (digital media,
>>> no
>>> label etc), or as official (DVD / DVD Audio, + release info as per the
>>> DVD)?
>>> Technically, the audio has been officially released, as the audio track
>>> is
>>> on the DVD, but these feel more like bootlegs by the time they are on a
>>> computer / burned to CD.
>> =

>> =

>> Well the DVD should be added as a DVD - as per the bootleg, dunno, you
>> wouldn't add a separate release for a CD rip, I imagine, so why for this?
>> =

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> For one, I'm still unclear what the rules for adding DVDs are. For exampl=
e,
> should the tracklist correspond to the chapter breaks, or the tracks play=
ed,
> interviews etc, regardless of chapter breaks? This may not be an issue wi=
th
> most releases, but it could affect how a DVD is added.
> =

> Secondly, when the audio is extracted it is usually as a single stream,
> which may then be broken up into tracks that do not correspond to the
> divisions of the DVD itself. There may be different ways of doing so,
> resulting in different tracklists. Surely these could not all be added as
> the official DVD release, even though they amount to the same audio strea=
m.
> =

> Third, certain parts of the audio stream may be removed, such as talking =
in
> between the music. I presume these would be added as bootlegs, as they do=
n't
> correspond to the full audio stream. I'm thinking particularly of
> 'unofficial' movie soundtracks that were never released on their own, but
> have been constructed from other sources or extracted from the DVD audio:
> =

> http://musicbrainz.org/release/854d1de4-f1aa-4981-aa8f-09d57c85825a
> http://musicbrainz.org/release/1cb11f92-451a-434d-ac0b-cec7fc54d4d5
> =

> I don't think either of these could be said to be officially released, as
> soundtracks as opposed to the films themselves. The latter ('Her') did
> stream online for a while, I'm not sure whether we classify that as a
> release yet. It's certainly not available in an official form at the mome=
nt.
> =

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