Re: Big Sur warnings
[email protected] Fri, 2 Oct 2020 21:10:16 -0700
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--000000000000e5790105b0bc6da9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AFAICT the builds with XCode 11 have the issue with opening: https://github.com/supercollider/supercollider/issues/5188 Josh, would you mind checking some of the XCode 11 builds? They're (indirectly) linked at the bottom of the issue. Marcin On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:48 PM Marcin P=C4=85czkowski <[email protected]> w= rote: > Thanks Josh, running the IDE from Terminal worked for me as well. > Not sure what's wrong with these builds... > Marcin > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:58 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I was able to start the IDE with launching: >> >> SuperCollider.app/Contents/MacOS/SuperCollider >> >> From Terminal. >> >> Best, >> Josh >> >> On Oct 1, 2020, at 11:24, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Actually, I can't start the IDE... I can start the lang itself though. >> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:22 AM Marcin P=C4=85czkowski <[email protected]= > >> wrote: >> >>> FWIW when I download the dev build I get the message "=E2=80=9CSuperCol= lider=E2=80=9D is >>> damaged and can=E2=80=99t be opened.". However, if I navigate in the pa= ckage >>> contents, I can start SC. (I'm on 10.13) >>> I thought that the dev issue was due to in issue with QT 5.15.1, but >>> that's been fixed in >>> https://github.com/supercollider/supercollider/pull/5178 >>> Marcin >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 9:30 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Scott - >>>> The developer build downloads as a Zero KB executable for me - can you >>>> see if you see that as well? >>>> >>>> Josh >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 30, 2020, at 05:26, scott-y6qSm6YX8/[email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> Current develop builds >>>> <http://supercollider.s3.amazonaws.com/builds/supercollider/supercolli= der/osx/develop-latest.html> >>>> work (apart from notarization issues) on the Big Sur drop from a week = or >>>> two ago. >>>> >>>> Big Sur support issues that I forsee: >>>> >>>> - [critical] Supernova needs to switch it's realtime thread setup to >>>> use audio workgroups rather than manually scheduling threads via the l= ower >>>> level API's it's using now. This is likely a small engineering change,= but >>>> will require some pretty extensive testing ... and god forbid we find = a >>>> problem / performance regression.... Without this change, Supernova ma= y >>>> have some degraded performance, or may simply not work. >>>> >>>> - [minor] Audio Units v2 support on Big Sur has seen some substantial >>>> changes (all AU plugins are now run out-of-process, and the thread cal= ling >>>> semantics have changed significantly). SuperColliderAU will need to be >>>> tested pretty extensively, and may need some changes - though we may b= e in >>>> the clear since we're engine-only and don't implement any proper UI. >>>> >>>> - [cosmetic] We list QT >=3D 5.11 as a minimum requirement. No Big Sur >>>> fixes will be backported to 5.11, so we'll have to bump to at least 5.= 12. >>>> Big Sur backports *seem* to be a guaranteed part of 5.12 LTS, but it's >>>> still worth testing 5.12 to see if it is, in fact, fully supporting Bi= g Sur. >>>> >>>> Due to some of the Audio Units changes, I predict that Big Sur will >>>> have a VERY long tail of work required by audio apps in general. Even = more >>>> than usual, I think audio users will be staying on Catalina for a long= time >>>> - so very possibly SC could actually come out ahead of the curve here. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:44 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:28 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > It did - I sent to both. >>>>> >>>>> That's good -- I saw only one (with [sc-dev] in the header) and >>>>> wondered about it. >>>>> >>>>> hjh >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sc-dev mailing list >>>>> >>>>> info (subscription, etc.): >>>>> http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/supercolli= der/mailinglist.aspx >>>>> archive: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-dev/ >>>>> search: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/search/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> --000000000000e5790105b0bc6da9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">AFAICT the builds with XCode 11 have the issue with openin= g:<div><a href=3D"https://github.com/supercollider/supercollider/issues/518= 8">https://github.com/supercollider/supercollider/issues/5188</a></div><div= >Josh, would you mind checking some of the XCode 11 builds? They're (in= directly) linked at the bottom of the issue.</div><div><br></div><div>Marci= n</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail= _attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:48 PM Marcin P=C4=85czkowski <<a href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><bloc= kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:= 1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks Josh, = running the IDE from Terminal worked for me as well.=C2=A0<div>Not sure wha= t's wrong with these builds...</div><div>Marcin</div></div><br><div cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 202= 0 at 11:58 AM <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blan= k">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai= l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20= 4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I was able to start the IDE with launching:<d= iv><br></div><div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:= normal;font-family:Monaco;color:rgb(16,16,16);background-color:rgba(255,255= ,255,0.85)"><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">Supe= rCollider.app/Contents/MacOS/SuperCollider</span></div><div><br></div><div>= From Terminal.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Josh</div><div><br>= <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Oct 1, 2020, at 11:24, <a href=3D"mailto:= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> wrote:</div><br><d= iv><div dir=3D"ltr">Actually, I can't start the IDE... I can start the = lang itself though.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl= ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:22 AM Marcin P=C4=85czkowski &= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</= a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p= x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d= iv dir=3D"ltr">FWIW when I download the dev build I get the message "= =E2=80=9CSuperCollider=E2=80=9D is damaged and can=E2=80=99t be opened.&quo= t;. However, if I navigate=C2=A0in the package contents, I can start SC. (I= 'm on 10.13)<div>I thought that the dev issue was due to in issue with = QT 5.15.1, but that's been fixed in=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/= supercollider/supercollider/pull/5178" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com= /supercollider/supercollider/pull/5178</a></div><div>Marcin</div></div><br>= <div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oc= t 1, 2020 at 9:30 AM <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas= s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r= gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Scott -=C2=A0<div>The developer buil= d downloads as a Zero KB executable for me - can you see if you see that as= well?</div><div><br></div><div>Josh</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote typ= e=3D"cite"><div>On Sep 30, 2020, at 05:26, <a href=3D"mailto:scott@artifici= a.org" target=3D"_blank">scott-y6qSm6YX8/[email protected]</a> wrote:</div><br><div><div = dir=3D"ltr"><div>Current <a href=3D"http://supercollider.s3.amazonaws.com/b= uilds/supercollider/supercollider/osx/develop-latest.html" target=3D"_blank= ">develop builds</a> work (apart from notarization issues)=C2=A0on the=C2= =A0Big Sur drop from a week or two ago.</div><div><br></div><div>Big Sur su= pport issues that I forsee:</div><div><br></div><div>- [critical] Supernova= needs to switch it's realtime thread setup to use audio workgroups rat= her than manually scheduling threads via the lower level API's it's= using now. This is likely a small engineering change, but will require som= e pretty extensive testing ... and god forbid we find a problem / performan= ce regression.... Without this change, Supernova may have some degraded per= formance, or may simply not work.</div><div><br></div><div>- [minor] Audio = Units v2 support on Big Sur has seen some substantial changes (all AU plugi= ns are now run out-of-process, and the thread calling semantics have change= d significantly). SuperColliderAU will need to be tested pretty extensively= , and may need some changes - though we may be in the clear since we're= engine-only and don't implement any proper UI.</div><div><br></div><di= v>- [cosmetic] We list QT >=3D 5.11 as a minimum requirement. No Big Sur= fixes will be backported to 5.11, so we'll have to bump to at least 5.= 12. Big Sur backports *seem* to be a guaranteed part of 5.12 LTS, but it= 9;s still worth testing 5.12 to see if it is, in fact, fully supporting Big= Sur.</div><div><br></div><div>Due to some of the Audio Units changes, I pr= edict that Big Sur will have a VERY long tail of work required by audio app= s in general. Even more than usual, I think audio users will be staying=C2= =A0on Catalina for a long time - so very possibly SC could actually come ou= t ahead of the curve here.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai= l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:44= AM <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">jamshark7= [email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding= -left:1ex">On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:28 AM <<a href=3D"mailto:josh@reali= zedsound.net" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> > It did - I sent to both.<br> <br> That's good -- I saw only one (with [sc-dev] in the header) and<br> wondered about it.<br> <br> hjh<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> sc-dev mailing list<br> <br> info (subscription, etc.): <a href=3D"http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilitie= s/ea-studios/research/supercollider/mailinglist.aspx" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/= supercollider/mailinglist.aspx</a><br> archive: <a href=3D"http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-dev/" rel=3D= "noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-d= ev/</a><br> search: <a href=3D"http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/search/" rel= =3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-de= v/search/</a><br> </blockquote></div> </div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div> </blockquote></div> </div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div> </blockquote></div> --000000000000e5790105b0bc6da9-- _______________________________________________ sc-dev mailing list info (subscription, etc.): http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/supercollider/mailinglist.aspx archive: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-dev/ search: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/search/