RE: Future of the lists
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--_000_CP4P284MB100957C1704CE1DBFB646C32A6359CP4P284MB1009BRAP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andrea, It's here: https://scsynth.org/ ________________________________ De: [email protected] <[email protected]> em no= me de [email protected] <[email protected]> Enviado: quinta-feira, 10 de junho de 2021 07:34 Para: [email protected] <[email protected]> Assunto: Re: [sc-users] Future of the lists Been here since 2003. So many thanks Scott! (I have no idea where to go for SC forum :) but I'm on FB) best -a- On Wed, 2021-06-09 at 14:50 +0200, [email protected] wrote: > All perfectly understandable, Scott. Thanks so much for your work ! > > Daniel > > > > > Am 09.06.2021 um 10:18 schrieb [email protected]: > > > > I said I would let others discuss before expressing my view. There > > hasn=92t been a massive response, and I=92d say no clear consensus. So, > > here=92s my 2 cents: > > > > Firstly, the dev list: As I said, I don=92t think it serves much > > purpose any more, or at least not a unique one, so I think we > > should wind it up and convert the archive to static pages. > > > > The user list is more complicated. In general I=92ve been happy to > > keep it going as long as there was demand, but the technical/GDPR > > issues do make me wonder if this is a good time to just wrap it up > > and encourage people to move to the forum, which has grown a lot as > > the list has gotten a little quieter. > > > > On a personal level, maintaining and moderating the lists is a not > > insignificant amount of work, and I don=92t have as much time for > > that as I used to. It=92s also not always a pleasant job, and while > > that=92s perhaps not surprising given the nature of online > > communications, I sometimes wonder if I want to keep putting energy > > into that, especially in those occasional moments when it=92s bad > > enough to impact my own wellbeing. > > > > So on balance and with some sadness, I personally think the best > > thing is to wind the lists up and encourage people to move to the > > forum. There has been some discussion about possibly hosting the > > forum here at the university, which would be a nice bit of > > continuity, and maybe help with stability as it=92s currently > > privately funded. We=92ll see what happens with that. > > > > I do feel a sense of responsibility to this community and the list > > members, so we can hold off on making a final determination for a > > day or two so people can respond, but that=92s my feeling. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > On 19 May 2021, at 17:09, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I=92m afraid we need to have a discussion about the future of the > > > mailing lists. There are a number of issues, but the most > > > immediate is that the list archiving software is basically not up > > > to modern standards and is no longer maintained. It will need to > > > be decommissioned, and is unlikely to be immediately replaced as > > > there=92s low usage for it. > > > > > > There is a broader question about the list software itself. That > > > is likely to be replaced, and the replacement would offer an > > > archiving facility, though there is no clear timescale, and at > > > the moment it=92s not a high priority. > > > > > > The existing archive can be easily converted to a static one, > > > which should be able to provide a better search facility than > > > currently (e.g. Google), so that should not be lost in any case. > > > > > > So I think the options are as follows: > > > > > > 1. Move the lists to another host. JISCmail may be a possibility. > > > 2. Continue the lists and accept a gap in the archive, and hope > > > that the new hosting solution here will come sooner rather than > > > later. > > > 3. Wind up the lists after a quarter of a century, move all > > > discussion to other fora (e.g. scsynth.org), and finalise the > > > archive. > > > > > > I have my own views on this, partly for personal reasons, but I > > > would like to hear from others before I say anything. I know > > > people have strong feelings about lists vs. web fora, etc., and > > > any choice will definitely have plusses and minuses. > > > > > > Whatever happens, it=92s been something of an honour looking after > > > sc-users and sc-dev for the last 13 years since we migrated them > > > in 2008. I=92ve been really proud and happy that Birmingham has > > > been able to support so much amazing activity, and such a great > > > community! > > > > > > Let me know what you think, > > > > > > Scott - list admin > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ sc-users mailing list info (subscription, etc.): http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studio= s/research/supercollider/mailinglist.aspx archive: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-users/ search: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-users/search/ --_000_CP4P284MB100957C1704CE1DBFB646C32A6359CP4P284MB1009BRAP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1= 252"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bo= ttom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Hi Andrea, <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> It's here:</div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <a href=3D"https://scsynth.org/" id=3D"LPlnk144026">https://scsynth.org/</a= ><br> </div> <div> <div id=3D"appendonsend"></div> <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col= or:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <hr tabindex=3D"-1" style=3D"display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt" face= =3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>De:</b> owner-sc-users@lists.= bham.ac.uk <[email protected]> em nome de [email protected]= o.it <[email protected]><br> <b>Enviado:</b> quinta-feira, 10 de junho de 2021 07:34<br> <b>Para:</b> [email protected] <[email protected]><br= > <b>Assunto:</b> Re: [sc-users] Future of the lists</font> <div> </div> </div> <div class=3D"BodyFragment"><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt"= > <div class=3D"PlainText">Been here since 2003.<br> <br> So many thanks Scott!<br> <br> (I have no idea where to go for SC forum :) but I'm on FB)<br> <br> <br> best<br> <br> -a-<br> <br> <br> On Wed, 2021-06-09 at 14:50 +0200, [email protected] wrote:<br> > All perfectly understandable, Scott. Thanks so much for your work !<br= > > <br> > Daniel<br> > <br> > <br> > <br> > > Am 09.06.2021 um 10:18 schrieb [email protected]:<br> > > <br> > > I said I would let others discuss before expressing my view. Ther= e<br> > > hasn=92t been a massive response, and I=92d say no clear consensu= s. So,<br> > > here=92s my 2 cents:<br> > > <br> > > Firstly, the dev list: As I said, I don=92t think it serves much<= br> > > purpose any more, or at least not a unique one, so I think we<br> > > should wind it up and convert the archive to static pages.<br> > > <br> > > The user list is more complicated. In general I=92ve been happy t= o<br> > > keep it going as long as there was demand, but the technical/GDPR= <br> > > issues do make me wonder if this is a good time to just wrap it u= p<br> > > and encourage people to move to the forum, which has grown a lot = as<br> > > the list has gotten a little quieter.<br> > > <br> > > On a personal level, maintaining and moderating the lists is a no= t<br> > > insignificant amount of work, and I don=92t have as much time for= <br> > > that as I used to. It=92s also not always a pleasant job, and whi= le<br> > > that=92s perhaps not surprising given the nature of online<br> > > communications, I sometimes wonder if I want to keep putting ener= gy<br> > > into that, especially in those occasional moments when it=92s bad= <br> > > enough to impact my own wellbeing.<br> > > <br> > > So on balance and with some sadness, I personally think the best<= br> > > thing is to wind the lists up and encourage people to move to the= <br> > > forum. There has been some discussion about possibly hosting the<= br> > > forum here at the university, which would be a nice bit of<br> > > continuity, and maybe help with stability as it=92s currently<br> > > privately funded. We=92ll see what happens with that.<br> > > <br> > > I do feel a sense of responsibility to this community and the lis= t<br> > > members, so we can hold off on making a final determination for a= <br> > > day or two so people can respond, but that=92s my feeling.<br> > > <br> > > Thanks,<br> > > <br> > > Scott<br> > > <br> > > <br> > > <br> > > <br> > > > On 19 May 2021, at 17:09, [email protected] wrote:<br> > > > <br> > > > Hi All,<br> > > > <br> > > > I=92m afraid we need to have a discussion about the future o= f the<br> > > > mailing lists. There are a number of issues, but the most<br= > > > > immediate is that the list archiving software is basically n= ot up<br> > > > to modern standards and is no longer maintained. It will nee= d to<br> > > > be decommissioned, and is unlikely to be immediately replace= d as<br> > > > there=92s low usage for it.<br> > > > <br> > > > There is a broader question about the list software itself. = That<br> > > > is likely to be replaced, and the replacement would offer an= <br> > > > archiving facility, though there is no clear timescale, and = at<br> > > > the moment it=92s not a high priority.<br> > > > <br> > > > The existing archive can be easily converted to a static one= ,<br> > > > which should be able to provide a better search facility tha= n<br> > > > currently (e.g. Google), so that should not be lost in any c= ase.<br> > > > <br> > > > So I think the options are as follows:<br> > > > <br> > > > 1. Move the lists to another host. JISCmail may be a possibi= lity.<br> > > > 2. Continue the lists and accept a gap in the archive, and h= ope<br> > > > that the new hosting solution here will come sooner rather t= han<br> > > > later.<br> > > > 3. Wind up the lists after a quarter of a century, move all<= br> > > > discussion to other fora (e.g. scsynth.org), and finalise th= e<br> > > > archive.<br> > > > <br> > > > I have my own views on this, partly for personal reasons, bu= t I<br> > > > would like to hear from others before I say anything. I know= <br> > > > people have strong feelings about lists vs. web fora, etc., = and<br> > > > any choice will definitely have plusses and minuses. <br> > > > <br> > > > Whatever happens, it=92s been something of an honour looking= after<br> > > > sc-users and sc-dev for the last 13 years since we migrated = them<br> > > > in 2008. I=92ve been really proud and happy that Birmingham = has<br> > > > been able to support so much amazing activity, and such a gr= eat<br> > > > community!<br> > > > <br> > > > Let me know what you think,<br> > > > <br> > > > Scott - list admin<br> > > > <br> > > > <br> > <br> > <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> sc-users mailing list<br> <br> info (subscription, etc.): <a href=3D"http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilitie= s/ea-studios/research/supercollider/mailinglist.aspx"> http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/supercollider/ma= ilinglist.aspx</a><br> archive: <a href=3D"http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-users/">http= ://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-users/</a><br> search: <a href=3D"http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-users/search/">ht= tp://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-users/search/</a><br> </div> </span></font></div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_CP4P284MB100957C1704CE1DBFB646C32A6359CP4P284MB1009BRAP_-- _______________________________________________ sc-users mailing list info (subscription, etc.): http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/supercollider/mailinglist.aspx archive: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-users/ search: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-users/search/