Re: Re: Pisssed off

I didn't want to have to dignify this stupid thread with any more of a 
response but i wanted to clear up some things.

1. the developers aren't blaming the victim.  Brian is not a developer 
of zinf and his opinions aren't ours.
2.  Zinf is open source gnu software, not just freeware.  If someone has 
a problem with it they can give a bug report or give a patch or patch it 
themselves and not care about anyone else, otherwise they can shut up. 
3.  We understand that there are still a lot of issues with zinf, and 
everyone else needs to understand that we just underwent a rather big 
change along with the name change in the code base and there are 
basically only 3 developers to this project.  That means between the 
three of us, we have to fix all the bugs and redo the coding to clean up 
this project, if anyone has a problem with the amount of time this is 
taking us three to do it they can come join the team.


I'm tired of hearing people bitch about problems and not do anything. We 
have a huge userbase and nobody seems to want to help.  If you feel the 
need to bitch just send your email to /dev/null, because that's where 
it's going from now on.  We're going to make zinf a very good audio 
player eventually but with three people that eventually could be anytime 
in the future.   If you dont feel like waiting you can blame everyone 
using it and not contributing or you can be quiet.


Also zinf is primarily developed under unix. The win32 port is only 
worked on primarily by the third developer in our little team.  I don't 
really develop on win32 ... maybe robert does a little on both when he 
needs to i'm sure.  Either way win32 is always playing catch up with bug 
fixes and gets far less work done to it than the unix version simply due 
to the difficulties associated with developing in win32. We get much 
more help from the unix world than the win32 world so that's why many 
issues remain in win32 land.  We accept patches for fixes when we get 
them, we just don't get that many for windows and we seem to have a lot 
of windows users who dont program.   That's how the cookie crumbles for 
you guys.

Fergus Lalor wrote:
> While I don't doubt Brian's experience is genuine it just does not 
> answer the problems many people are experiencing with Zinf. I am 
> normally a Mac user but acquired an out-of-the box PC running Windows XP 
> in order to evaluate some programs for teaching chemistry. This machine 
> has no Real Audio or Windows Media s/w installed yet Zinf behaved 
> exactly as described by Glenn below when I tried to use it to download 
> E-music albums. Since the program is freeware the developers are under 
> no obligation to do anything for anyone - but if someone is actually 
> interested in solving the problem a good first step would be to stop 
> trying to blame it on the victims just because not everyone encounters it.
> Fergus Lalor
> 
> 
>> Glenn
>>
>> I have downloaded 10GB of music from emusic using freeamp and zinf no
>> problems. I also use zinf as my sole audio player, again without
>> problems.
>> I can only think of 2 things that may be causing you grief:
>> 1. You are running windows 9x/me in which case crashing is not an
>> unusual experience ( I run 2000 at home and NT 4.0 at work)
>> 2. You have installed windows media player 7 and/or real player at some
>> point. They are practically viruses in that they take control of your
>> computer and insidiously associate themselves with everything causing
>> all manner of misery.
>>
>> Brian



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