Re: [SPAM] Re: Joins on capabilities that have passed through different membranes

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I have issues with their claim as well; in particular, I don't think they
ever tried making it a coherent caps-based system, but tried to use some
caps-like ideas in their existing system.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Sandro Magi <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm skeptical of this UI claim. This behaviour is exactly what happens
> when people open Word attachments directly from some e-mail clients. An
> additional strip at the top says you're in read-only mode, and provides a
> button to begin editing. This pattern has clearly existed for many years
> already, and persists to this day, so it can't be so confusing as to be
> unusable.
>
> Sandro
>
> On 05/01/2016 2:46 PM, Mike Stay wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Alan Karp <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Marc Stiegler came up with a clever UI affordance to make all this clear.
>>> If Ihab views the document with Kenton's capability, Ihab sees a ro view.
>>> If Ihab opens it with his own, he sees a rw view.  In either case, he see
>>> the same document, which reduces any possible confusion.  Since Ihab does
>>> have write permission, his UI has an Edit button (actually a tab in
>>> Stiegler's UI).
>>>
>> Google's UI researchers claimed to us that people would get a
>> read-only view from somewhere and then be confused when they couldn't
>> edit it, even when there was an edit button.  People don't look for
>> controls they don't expect to need.
>>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif">I have issues with their claim as well; in particular, =
I don&#39;t think they ever tried making it a coherent caps-based system, b=
ut tried to use some caps-like ideas in their existing system.</div></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 15, 20=
16 at 6:44 PM, Sandro Magi <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:smagi@hi=
gherlogics.com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I&#39;m skeptical of this UI claim. T=
his behaviour is exactly what happens when people open Word attachments dir=
ectly from some e-mail clients. An additional strip at the top says you&#39=
;re in read-only mode, and provides a button to begin editing. This pattern=
 has clearly existed for many years already, and persists to this day, so i=
t can&#39;t be so confusing as to be unusable.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font =
color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
Sandro</font></span><span class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
<br>
On 05/01/2016 2:46 PM, Mike Stay wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Alan Karp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alanhkarp@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Marc Stiegler came up with a clever UI affordance to make all this clear.<b=
r>
If Ihab views the document with Kenton&#39;s capability, Ihab sees a ro vie=
w.<br>
If Ihab opens it with his own, he sees a rw view.=C2=A0 In either case, he =
see<br>
the same document, which reduces any possible confusion.=C2=A0 Since Ihab d=
oes<br>
have write permission, his UI has an Edit button (actually a tab in<br>
Stiegler&#39;s UI).<br>
</blockquote>
Google&#39;s UI researchers claimed to us that people would get a<br>
read-only view from somewhere and then be confused when they couldn&#39;t<b=
r>
edit it, even when there was an edit button.=C2=A0 People don&#39;t look fo=
r<br>
controls they don&#39;t expect to need.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">
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