Re: Archived state

At 15:14 19.01.2006, [email protected] wrote:
>I think they compare with some sort of file 
>archive and that the pages are just like 
>documents or articles which could be found in a 
>historic archive and copied or moved around to other medias later on.
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>I am testing Jahia 5 beta 4 and I saw the new copy mechanism for pages.

you also have a mechanism of "linked copies" 
(Each modification on the source are reflected on 
the desitination. The destination can be on 
another virtual site). But as it is "linked 
copies" you can not edit them for the moment. But 
perhaps we may customize the things to let the 
end-users choose different time base publishing 
dates between the source and the destination.... This would solve your issue.

Stéphane

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>If we think about the archive mechanism on page 
>level only, it may be implemented by changing 
>parent id and set it to the archive page id? 
>Then of course we have to think about alternative links to the page.
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>The archive page shall only be readable for 
>logged users with write or admin rights.
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>-----Stéphane Croisier <[email protected]> wrote: -----
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>To: <[email protected]>
>From: Stéphane Croisier <[email protected]>
>Date: 01/19/2006 02:13PM
>Subject: Re: Archived state
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>At 13:36 19.01.2006, [email protected] wrote:
>>Many customers give us requirements 
>>specifications for their new web site and ask 
>>if we could implement the requirements and of 
>>course we want to do this by using Jahia. Often 
>>there is  a requirement about time based 
>>publishing and I know that this will be a 
>>feature in the next Jahia release (currently 
>>you can implement this yourself by using some date fields).
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>>But what will happen after the expiration date?
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>As currently implemented in jahia 5.0 (please 
>check on the online demo of the beta 4 if you 
>want to give a try: http://www.jahia.net/demo5/ 
>), there are two new "metadata" for each container = start date and end date.
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>Those fields are automatically checked in live 
>mode and the content is filtered accordingly.
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>The implementation is quite generic so you can 
>perfectly add new plug-ins (for instance: 
>publish a content every Monday or things like that).
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>Regarding the content, it is in fact still 
>available in live mode but simply filtered and 
>hidden for the end-users. But in the jahia 
>back-end the content is still available in this 
>mode. So the versioning workflow is the same aka 
>staging -> live -> archive 1 -> archive 2 -> ... -> archive N.
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>>The customers want to have an archive and that 
>>expired pages shall be moved to that archive 
>>automatically on the expiration day.
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>Here the paradigm is not really the same. What 
>you are saying is that you have a validated 
>content object on a page (e.g. pid 1) and at a 
>certain date, this object should move to another 
>validated page (pid 2) and disappear fomr 1. But 
>at a content object level granularity, are these 
>two objects the same or two copies? If they are 
>the same, you will agree that you can not have 
>two sets of different metadata for the same 
>content object. So either this content is live 
>(wherever it is published or reused on the site, either it is expired).
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>So what you are mentionning is more a publishing 
>start and end date rathern than a content start 
>date and end date = the workflow engine should 
>(de)publish content automatically at certain 
>date. So a page may expire but the same content 
>may still be reused somewhere else...
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>Such a paradigm is not implemented by default for the moment in Jahia 5.0.
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>But perhaps simply creating a category "archive" 
>and then filtering your content according to 
>such a criteria would be enough, doesn it?
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>>This could be optional like "Page will be 
>>archived on expiration day: true/false"  or 
>>"Page will be deleted on expiration day: true/false"
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>>Now I wonder if someone has implemented a 
>>similar mechanism and in that case how to do it.
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>Cf. should be possible with filters on 
>categories... But then take care of the perf if 
>you implement such a mechanism for all your content objects...
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>Cheers,
>Stéphane
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>>  I am thinking about the "Cementery Of Expired 
>> Pages" where the user (an editor) could browse 
>> for and maybe pick up an expired page.
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>>Of course I know that the versioning system 
>>could be used to restore an old page but that 
>>is not what I want to tell the customer.
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>>Will there be an event like "Page is expired"?
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>>Regards
>>/Lars Hagrot
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