Re: PIM or CIM

On 17.10.2003, at 15:56, Robert Slater wrote:
> I have been lurking here for a while...[A long post]

;-) long posts take a long time to answer, but finally ...

> This converstion is made possible by the opt-in mailing list.
> I think the power of this form of communication is vastly under-rated 
> as a
> communications model. Opengroupware is being develped along with most 
> other
> open-source projects with the mailing list pivotal to that development.
> I believe the"email" component is incidental to the communication 
> model.

Hm. Personally I find Bugzilla as an issue tracking tool much more 
important than mailing lists.

> I have joined this thread [PIM or CIM ] a sub-project of  the
> overall project called [email protected]
>
> Because I promoted myself i have very low "status" and this 
> contribution to
> the"idea" may or may not be responded to by better know and respected
> contributers.

> The more involved in the overall project a contributer the higher the 
> status.

I think I get your point, but given that we are (not yet ;-) dealing 
with thousands of contributors we have no real "status".

> The highest status is initially given to the person who started the 
> overall project.
> Status is not  defined by volume of communication [troll] but by 
> quality of
> contribution. This can either be in a single thread [specialist] or 
> across the
> entire project. [manager/executive] Importantly there is no "knowledge 
> lockout"
> Any person interested in the overall project can contribute. [even me]
> A very flat organisational structure indeed!

Yip.

> Now the tricky bit.. As we all know trying to organise a time to do 
> something on
>  a mail list is like herding cats..

People who actually want to do *work* are invited at both: Bugzilla or 
even AIM.

> This may be a function of open-source development rather than an 
> intrinsic
> failure in the model though.
> In a business there is a structure and if the highest ranking person 
> says.
> Meeting at 2.00pm. There is going to a meeting. How you extract this 
> in to
> meaningful individual time-lines though is beyond me..

Yes, a mailing list is inappropriate for that, which is why we have 
Bugzilla.

Hm, maybe I don't really get your whole point, but also OGo is *not 
yet* (I really hope that this will change) a really community driven 
project, but rather driven by SKYRIX AG. So when we setup a meeting at 
2:00PM MET, it will happen at that time ;-)

regards,
   Helge
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