Re: New Website for opengroupware.org project

On Jun 27, 2005, at 16:13, Michael Brown wrote:
>> we just want to make it easier to change and submit content on the
>> main website.
> I stand corrected.  Plone would make this really
> easily, with groups, roles and workflow.

It would be easier than now, but not "really easy". Eg the workflow of 
the current docs Plone is annoying and completely useless (and no, this 
is not Chris' fault! ;-) To change a single page in docs I need to do 
at least 5 clicks - and Plone isn't particulary fast.

> which would ensure that no spam occurs on
> the main site

Unfortunately wrong. Plone has no builtin staging, so all submitted 
content is immediatly online for anonymous access.
This is what makes the workflow superflous and basically useless.

> I got the impression that Chris was "roadblocked" in
> some way because of a few things he mentionned.

I know that Chris likes Plone and Zope. So do I. But one also has to be 
aware of the drawbacks, not just the features - especially in our kind 
of setup.

> I know people will always recommend stuff they use; my point
> was more to the effect of re-using infrastructure we
> already have.

We don't have a Plone infrastructure for the issue in question. The 
docs installation (currently!) solves none of the issues I raised for 
the main site.

> If the Plone instance gets upgraded
> to support Archetypes, then LinguaPlone is a good
> product for localizing more "static content" on the
> Website to different languages.

I know that Plone/Zope has a lot of features. But missing features is 
not our issue right now. We first need to get the basics right.

IMHO a Wiki could be a simple and effective solution if the 
requirements can be implemented.

Greets,
   Helge
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