Re: questions about the right system...

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Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>> Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>>>> We still run a old OGo server here which only works with lightning 0.7
>>>> and before.
>>>> Yet as we run debian there is til yet no way to upgrade via "official"
>>>> packages and self made packages are harder than we think about.
>>> I don't know what "official" means but I have RPMs coming to the
>>> OpenSUSE build service for SuSE, openSUSE, RHEL, and CentOS.  
>>> <http://whitemiceconsulting.blogspot.com/search/label/opengroupware>
>>> Only need to finish the Env & DB setup and I'll probably have to alter
>>> the packages to no longer be in /usr/local as current packaging policies
>>> forbid that.
>> Yeah, but I got debian and need .deb packages.
>> And I do not want to fiddle around with setting up other systems or a
>> complete new install.
>> It was easy, just grab the .deb from the buildd and install them, system
>> updated and run (til some time around there were debian packages from
>> nightly builds).
>> Now I need to switch away from debian (no option) or setup a complete
> 
> Ok,  although I don't understand this attitude.  The point of a system
> is to run applications [it is about the applications],  loyalty to a OS
> or distribution of an OS doesn't make allot of sense to me.  The point
> of the OS is to facilitate the system to run the application.  When an
> application vendor recommends [or demands] SLES or CentOS/RHEL, etc...
> we just install that. (Or dreadfully if they want AIX... eegads!) With
> LINUX every distribution is 99.44% the same as every other; it is just
> "apt" vs. "yum" vs. "zypper" all of which do the same thing.

Even if those linux distros are nearly the same, the fine differences
are the prob. We already run 4 different OS here - MS Vista, MS XP,
Debian and MacOS X.
For me as a single Admin to at least >60 PCs with this 4 OS it is
already enough work - setting up one OS per service is not the best
effort in time and money consumption.
And as we run mostly debian only server, we can run one setup file for
all servers - one command and all servers are up to date.
With a new distro, it always need special effort and work. Not only to
think about, also to do that work.

>>> I find updating or migrating OGo to be scandulously easy compared to
>>> other services.  Install, point to the DB, and tar:untar/rsync/copy
>>> "/var/lib/opengroupware".
>> If you got the systems up and running, maybe. But if you got no suitable
>> system running, it is a mess.
> 
> I'm not sure what this means.

I need to setup a "unknown" system/distro and need to learn their update
schedule, their way of handling bug fixing, their way of using the
system, their way of distribute files in the filesystem,...


>> Over all: there is NO really suitable calenderapp which suites our
>> needs, neiter OpenSource nor payware. Even outlook/exchange does not fit
>> (linux clients and more than one server).
>> It is really a mess :-(
> 
> I agree that there is not a solution I'm 100% happy with.  Although with
> Evolution know working pretty well with OGo I'm happier than I was a few
> months ago.

Maybe - we try to find a good working solution.


MfG,
Lars Schimmer
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