Re: Outsiders, insiders, transparency, action (was Re: [OSCOM] Re: Michi resigns from OSCOM [Fwd: [Board] OSCOM ordinary meeting of members minutes])

Paul Everitt wrote:

>
> This meme about outsiders and insiders keeps coming up.  I'm curious  
> about the issues behind it.  Beyond the feed issue, what are the  
> other points of substance driving this?

If you are not aware of it, you are not aware of it.  If it takes this 
long and another debate, what is real sense of understanding it? Let's 
give it a rest.
It is mostly perception. Some talking heads and tech heads mostly. 
Things are decided and directions are taken without general desires of 
the audience?
I am not alone in this.

You do these things ultimately not in the everyone's interest to plop 
the organization. You do much of that in your own time and terms and 
tend to alienate people. I would say we learn a thing or two here and 
better start with clean slate.


>
> As an "insider", I can promise you that the board is about as  
> menacing as a comatose slug. :^)  Transparency isn't really the  
> issue, IMO, as there has quite literally been nothing to see.  OTOH,  
> I can see how the perception of a clique could arise.  Please,  
> though, don't ascribe "I can't see anything" to lack of  
> transparency...instead, ascribe it to "there's nothing to see".
>
That says a lot. You have the post of making things happen and it is 
dead as slug?  No new ideas and just too busy with your own respective 
pursuits. 
You seem to be pre-emptying "the state of guiltlessness"?  At least, 
next board should be responsible and bring some good energy. Or just 
start new organization with new bylaws and outlaws.

> What's needed now is new energy.  Not just the energy of  
> brainstorming great things that could be done, but the kind of  
> getting-things-done energy.  For example, the kind of energy that  
> generates more than one member showing up for the annual members  
> meeting. :^)
>
Now you have ideas.. Let 's not go gunho on this again. What will bring 
people back? fun perhaps? some excitement? recognition?  Little things 
can go a long way.

> First and foremost, the bylaws currently require a minimum of four  
> people to constitute a board.  We could amend the bylaws to reduce  
> the required minimum, but even that requires a process and a vote,  
> and thus, someone to conduct it.
>
> No need to reply now, but for those of you whose heart yearns to be  
> an insider and learn the secret handshake...think about running for a  
> board seat.
>
> --Paul
>
> On Feb 27, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Chalu Kim wrote:
>
>> Your point well taken... You are right and are not the only person  
>> who feels like that here.
>>
>> I suppose OSCOM felt a bit like free mason... There were insiders  
>> and there were outsiders.
>>
>> What it needed is "transparency" where people know the rules and  how 
>> to be recognized not who knows who. Like many open-source  trends, it 
>> moves with momentum users and developers create.
>>
>> Whether OSCOM is revived is not as important as how "transparency"  
>> is created and how collabolation is achieved.
>>
>> Seth Gottlieb wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that OSCOM has already been doing these things to a  
>>> degree.  I am not suggesting a departure from the original vision  
>>> (which I am all for). I would just like to see more execution.   One 
>>> thing that I think would be helpful is to get existing  customers 
>>> involved.  Their interests are aligned in getting the  good word of 
>>> open source software into the market place.  Their  stories will 
>>> help kill the FUD.  I also would like to see more  open source 
>>> projects getting involved.  The website is not clear  how people can 
>>> join and does not seem to invite participation.   Not to talk about 
>>> myself, but I asked for my feed to be included  twice and got the 
>>> feeling that there was some selection committee  for inviting new 
>>> members.  Anyway, those are my observations as an  outsider.
>>>
>>> --Seth
>>>
>>>
>>> Chalu Kim wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seth Gottlieb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sandro,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in participating in this dialog of the future of  
>>>>> OSCOM on the mail list or wiki or whatever you choose.  As for  
>>>>> me, I would like to see OSCOM pursue the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Develop and promote a message of "why open source.".  In  
>>>>> particular, fight the fear.  It would be great to come up with  
>>>>> some empirical rebuttal to the proprietary software industry's  
>>>>> claim that open source is actually more expensive because it is  
>>>>> essentially un-finished and requires a disproportionate amount  of 
>>>>> effort to install and integrate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has this been done all along? Not to everyone's satisfaction, I  am 
>>>> sure.
>>>>
>>>> It would be interesting instead to see what types of people are  
>>>> using and what they are complaining about. Something from grunt's  
>>>> point of view...
>>>>
>>>>> * Promote collaboration and fraternity between developers across  
>>>>> projects. * Participate in and endorse (or reject) standards  
>>>>> (JSR170, OSR101, iECM)
>>>>>
>>>> I think OSCOM has served this by being a conduit or remaining  
>>>> neutral. Also, there are lots of posts of encouraging JSR and OSR  
>>>> already.
>>>>
>>>>> :Let me know if I can be of any help.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Seth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandro Groganz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pdm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is a good idea: open a wiki where we can all contribute  to 
>>>>>>> write up a plan for OSCOM
>>>>>>> that should give you some input to fuel your good thinking  over 
>>>>>>> the next couple of weeks...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good idea, indeed! Yet, I did not even think about the proper  
>>>>>> way of channeling the discussion, but this is definitely a good  
>>>>>> and simple one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we actually have to main issues:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - discuss the future of OSCOM?
>>>>>> - how we want to structure and keep track of the discussion?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I look forward to seeing our future all laid out
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't promise that there will be no more uncertainties :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandro
>>>>>>
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