Re: Outsiders, insiders, transparency, action (was Re: [OSCOM] Re: Michi resigns from OSCOM [Fwd: [Board] OSCOM ordinary meeting of members minutes])
Michael Wechner <[email protected]>
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Boris Kraft wrote: > On 28.02.2006, at 16:01, Seth Gottlieb wrote: > >> For me, the perception of outsiders and insiders comes from reading the >> bylaws: >> >> To be eligible for membership, a person or entity must be nominated >> by a current member of the association. The Board decides on >> admission. >> Any membership decision made by the Board can be challenged by >> any member >> of the association, whereupon the next Meeting of Members will then >> decide on that person's membership. >> >> Plus the fact that Become a Member link on the Get Involved page is >> unlinked. >> The list of members on >> http://www.oscom.org/get-involved/organization/members.html is small >> implying >> that it is a small group. > I don't think it's unlinked: http://www.oscom.org/get-involved/organization/ >> >> It kind of feels like becoming a member of ASF, rather than a >> membership >> organization. That may in intentional and I don't see anything >> wrong with >> that. However, it does appear that you need to jump through some >> hoops and >> make the right friends to get into the club. >> >> Not complaining, just explaining. > > > > Well put, Seth, as so often. > > Thats (s.o.) exactly the point. I never even knew if I was a member > or not (thanks for the link, I now know I am not ). without sounding cynical, but did you really think you are a member? This is exactly why bylaws existed from the second conference on (at Berkeley): http://www.oscom.org/get-involved/organization/bylaws.html to make this transparent (which might explain to you why I was asking so stubbornly on the Magnolia mailing list where the bylaws are). But yes I agree, one could make this link more prominent and explain it certainly much better (as is true for many FOSS CMS projects ;-) > > OSCOM might have a value proposition to its members - this should be > worked out. > > Does anyone know of similar constellations in other areas of life? I > mean, if it comes down to it, competition in the OS world is at least > as hard as in the closed source world. We all need to pay the rent, > and with current OS business models that works for very few people. > Then there are those that maybe just do it for fun - do those people > have anything in common with the former group? Is commercial open > source evil in the eyes of theose that preach pure-play? everyone needs to make a living and I don't think that there are many people within the FOSS CMS environment which are doing this for pure fun. So, being commercially interested isn't a problem at all. > > There are many questions... OSCOM needs to think about what it wants > to by to whome, and why. write into the Wiki (which doesn't exist at the moment) what you think OSCOM should stand for. > > Any you don't need OSCOM to have cross project collab. why not? > Thats already happening through all OS-infrastructure projects out > there anyways. don't you think the [email protected] helps? > > > Questions on my mind are: > a) how can I make a living (in the OS world), just being curious, but why does it need to be the OS world for you? > raise kids and pay their school tuition > b) how can I reduce my workload > > If OSCOM can help me answer these, then I am interested I do have similar issues, but don't believe that OSCOM will solve and should solve these problems for me. Seriously, I think you need to answer these questions yourself, but people within OSCOM might be able to give you some hints. Michi > - Boris > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > [email protected] > http://oscom.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/general > -- Michael Wechner Wyona - Open Source Content Management - Apache Lenya http://www.wyona.com http://lenya.apache.org [email protected] [email protected]