Re: [Tiki-devel] Problem with french translation for "Location"

Hello,

While I’m looking in the translations I have to merge I found that issue we previously discussed.



Seems we add a kind of solution:

> "edit (verb)": modifier
> "edit (noun)": modification

> "D_(day)" => "D", (in english)
> "D_(day)" => "J" (in french)


> "Location_(map)" => "Lieu" (in french)
> "Rent" => "Location" (in french)
> "Location" (in a tracker dropdown) stays "Location"


What should be done to implement it ?

I (and I see others here and there) have commented/broken translations in French because of this).


Bernard






> On 10 Nov 2020, at 15:02 , [email protected] wrote:
> 
> I don't remember a specific example in Tiki off hand, but there are also examples of a term in English that has many translations.. Something like:
> "edit (verb)": modifier
> "edit (noun)": modification
> 
> Marc
> 
> 
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 12:31:53 +0000 Tiki developers [email protected] said
> 
>> Probably "if i remember correctly"? (guessing from
>> https://www.acronymfinder.com/Slang/IIRC.html ;)
>> But i don't remember that suggestion i'm afraid, but it's a good one. In the past we've discussed more structural ways of adding a content - like
>> by making the strings in the templates into constant looking tokens (like
>> LOCATION_AS_IN_MAPS) and then completely rebuilding the translation system to
>> take account of this, which has never happened because it would be a huge
>> task, would make the templates extra ugly and unlikely to be funded by
>> clients directly...
>> But Luci's idea could fairly easily by implemented with the small addition of
>> a little test in the tra() function to strip off the trailing _(some text) if
>> no translation is found (preferably not using regular expressions for
>> performance reasons).
>> So for Bernard's other similar question those calendar ones could be
>> "D_(day)", "M_(month)" etc.
>> I like it! :)
>> jb_(jonny)
>> > On 9 Nov 2020, at 11:59, Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > IIRC ?
>> > > On 2020-11-09 6:23 a.m., luciash via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>> >> Good thinking Polyna, it happened before but it was not so important for
>> > anyone to care. IIRC I proposed something like this (context identifier, e.g.
>> > "Location_(place)", "List_(button)", "List_(title,label)" or "Mine_(my)") for
>> > the translation strings already several years ago.
>> >> >> luci
>> >> >> >> >> On 09.11.2020 11:55, Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside wrote:
>> >>> But this wouldn't solve your problem !
>> >>> >>> It will only push it later on to be fixed.
>> >>> >>> Because "Location" that can mean "where something is" remain a possibility
>> > in French, like in English.
>> >>> >>> But also it can means to offer something for rental.
>> >>> >>> I think it would be something smart to push it a bit further to our mind
>> > finding a solution.
>> >>> >>> Because if this now arise with one keyword, we can be assured this will
>> > appear later on with some different word, maybe in Spanish, Japanese or even
>> > Russian this time...
>> >>> >>> I am surprised this didn't happened before and haven't been think about....
>> >>> >>> The pretty simple fact that taking word out of context and translating them
>> > won't do the job on the long run. Don't need a PhD in linguistic to understand
>> > this one ! Neither do you need to have developed a natural language processing
>> > library to start that maybe there's a need to evolve the crude simple string
>> > matching translation...
>> >>> >>> Those a just my crazy idea... and it's why I implemented some context
>> > identifier to the string, so that I can use unique word in different context
>> > and control how they translate. So that the translation keep a bit of logic.
>> > Sometime, you also have to invert the position of word in sentence. Or it
>> > really look like a 1985 translated text based console video game...
>> >>> >>> On 2020-11-09 5:15 a.m., luciash via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>> >>>> In such cases we introduce new preference for Trackers on i18n control
>> > panel "Multilingual Tracker field names" to make it optional.
>> >>>> >>>> On 09.11.2020 9:26, Bsfez Tiki via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>> >>>>> Hello,
>> >>>>> >>>>> In a French Tiki in a tracker I have a dropdown field and one field value
>> > is "Location" (meaning rent in French)
>> >>>>> >>>>> But it is swapped for the word "Lieu" and that’s a different meaning.
>> >>>>> >>>>> The swapping is a translation.
>> >>>>> At lang/fr/language.php line 2304 we have
>> >>>>> "Location" => "Lieu",
>> >>>>> Location exist in French and as a different meaning than in English
>> >>>>> >>>>> How do we deal with such cases ?
>> >>>>> >>>>> B
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