Re: [Tiki-devel] Problem with french translation for "Location"

What should be done to implement it: I guess just go ahead and change 
the strings in tpl files then translate in language.php?

luci


On 26.01.2021 10:13, Bsfez Tiki via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
> Hello,
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> While I’m looking in the translations I have to merge I found that issue we previously discussed.
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> Seems we add a kind of solution:
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>> "edit (verb)": modifier
>> "edit (noun)": modification
>> "D_(day)" => "D", (in english)
>> "D_(day)" => "J" (in french)
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>> "Location_(map)" => "Lieu" (in french)
>> "Rent" => "Location" (in french)
>> "Location" (in a tracker dropdown) stays "Location"
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> What should be done to implement it ?
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> I (and I see others here and there) have commented/broken translations in French because of this).
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> Bernard
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>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 15:02 , [email protected] wrote:
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>> I don't remember a specific example in Tiki off hand, but there are also examples of a term in English that has many translations.. Something like:
>> "edit (verb)": modifier
>> "edit (noun)": modification
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>> Marc
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>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 12:31:53 +0000 Tiki developers [email protected] said
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>>> Probably "if i remember correctly"? (guessing from
>>> https://www.acronymfinder.com/Slang/IIRC.html ;)
>>> But i don't remember that suggestion i'm afraid, but it's a good one. In the past we've discussed more structural ways of adding a content - like
>>> by making the strings in the templates into constant looking tokens (like
>>> LOCATION_AS_IN_MAPS) and then completely rebuilding the translation system to
>>> take account of this, which has never happened because it would be a huge
>>> task, would make the templates extra ugly and unlikely to be funded by
>>> clients directly...
>>> But Luci's idea could fairly easily by implemented with the small addition of
>>> a little test in the tra() function to strip off the trailing _(some text) if
>>> no translation is found (preferably not using regular expressions for
>>> performance reasons).
>>> So for Bernard's other similar question those calendar ones could be
>>> "D_(day)", "M_(month)" etc.
>>> I like it! :)
>>> jb_(jonny)
>>>> On 9 Nov 2020, at 11:59, Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> IIRC ?
>>>>> On 2020-11-09 6:23 a.m., luciash via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>>>>> Good thinking Polyna, it happened before but it was not so important for
>>>> anyone to care. IIRC I proposed something like this (context identifier, e.g.
>>>> "Location_(place)", "List_(button)", "List_(title,label)" or "Mine_(my)") for
>>>> the translation strings already several years ago.
>>>>>>> luci
>>>>>>>>>>> On 09.11.2020 11:55, Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside wrote:
>>>>>> But this wouldn't solve your problem !
>>>>>>>>> It will only push it later on to be fixed.
>>>>>>>>> Because "Location" that can mean "where something is" remain a possibility
>>>> in French, like in English.
>>>>>>>>> But also it can means to offer something for rental.
>>>>>>>>> I think it would be something smart to push it a bit further to our mind
>>>> finding a solution.
>>>>>>>>> Because if this now arise with one keyword, we can be assured this will
>>>> appear later on with some different word, maybe in Spanish, Japanese or even
>>>> Russian this time...
>>>>>>>>> I am surprised this didn't happened before and haven't been think about....
>>>>>>>>> The pretty simple fact that taking word out of context and translating them
>>>> won't do the job on the long run. Don't need a PhD in linguistic to understand
>>>> this one ! Neither do you need to have developed a natural language processing
>>>> library to start that maybe there's a need to evolve the crude simple string
>>>> matching translation...
>>>>>>>>> Those a just my crazy idea... and it's why I implemented some context
>>>> identifier to the string, so that I can use unique word in different context
>>>> and control how they translate. So that the translation keep a bit of logic.
>>>> Sometime, you also have to invert the position of word in sentence. Or it
>>>> really look like a 1985 translated text based console video game...
>>>>>>>>> On 2020-11-09 5:15 a.m., luciash via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>>>>>>> In such cases we introduce new preference for Trackers on i18n control
>>>> panel "Multilingual Tracker field names" to make it optional.
>>>>>>>>>>> On 09.11.2020 9:26, Bsfez Tiki via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a French Tiki in a tracker I have a dropdown field and one field value
>>>> is "Location" (meaning rent in French)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is swapped for the word "Lieu" and that’s a different meaning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The swapping is a translation.
>>>>>>>> At lang/fr/language.php line 2304 we have
>>>>>>>> "Location" => "Lieu",
>>>>>>>> Location exist in French and as a different meaning than in English
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do we deal with such cases ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
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