Re: [Tiki-devel] Theme Design Proposal for the Administration UX and Control Panels re-organization

Hi Gary,

thank you very much for your input and feedback on that topic!

We surely didn't mean it to put you in the "Obsolete Stuff", LOL :D

Thank you for your ideas on how to group the sections. I will quickly 
copy that here and reflect on that a bit:

"Global [Mainly front-facing, configured by site admins]

General
Features
Look & Feel
Modules
Categories
Search
I18n
Profiles

Content - main [Core features - configured by site admins; instances and 
content created by site users]

Wiki
File Galleries
Trackers
Blogs
Forums
Articles
Calendars
Comments
Image Galleries (deprecated)
Webmail

Content - secondary [Secondary features - Control details of main 
content features - configured by site admins; instances and content 
created by site users]

Editing and Plugins
WYSIWYG
Work spaces
Copyright
Payment
Maps
Video
Print settings
Semantic links
Feeds

Community [Configured or content created by site users]

User settings
Rating
Score
Tags
Polls
Directory
FAQs
RTC
Share
Community
Social networks
Messages

Backend [Backend management - only the site admins access]

Login
Meta Tags
InterTiki
Web services
SEF URL
Performance
Security
Connect
Statistics
Packages"

I discussed this with Katarina, but even this grouping sounded to her as 
too complicated and confusing as it is not very clear to someone who 
just came to Tiki for the first time where to look for what when it is 
using unclear words like "Content main, content secondary" etc... And I 
kind of agree that her grouping of the sections looks more intuitive and 
understandable to a newcomer -- a newbie Tiki Admin.

I think this "view of a newbie" is important for better Tiki adoption 
and first impression of the software.

For example I like (and I can imagine it is much more understandable for 
a BFU) the "Access" section grouping "Login, Users, Groups, Permissions, 
Security"  better than grouping it under "Backend". Of course I 
understand you were trying to regroup just the existing "boxes" on the 
main control panels page and of course we can discuss more the final 
content of the sidebar "System Menu" yet and tweak these sections even 
much more to the best fit. This is just the design and not the final 
product and I hope we will find the optimal solution when we get there 
to coding the sidebar menu ;)

Lets collaborate on it on the wiki page and clear that later up in the 
upcoming Stage 2 maybe?

Cheers!

luci


On 20.03.2021 12:30, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Nice looking overall, I agree. I've always liked Tiki's "unique" 
> approaches to things, like the grid of admin icons, but it's true that 
> the meanings aren't clear to newcomers, or even to the rest of us 
> especially since switching to icon fonts whose abstract images don't 
> convey the intended meanings as well as the old motley assortment of 
> more detailed png images did. So it's probably good to make the move 
> to a menu with full text labels, which is a more conventional and 
> immediately understandable layout and doesn't rely on tooltips so 
> much. And I like the idea of a new DOM element for the menu, thinking 
> that it leaves more options open for placement and behavior.
>
> I have always liked that Tiki's administration pages share the styling 
> of the public/community/presentation side of the site rather than 
> having a stark utilitarian appearance. Being able to specify an admin 
> theme gives the best of both worlds -- wild and woolly admin pages or 
> control-room functionality, whatever people want.
>
> As far as the item groupings are concerned, actually I still 
> like/prefer what I came up with earlier, which can now be found down 
> in the page's "Obsolete Stuff" (thanks, guys ;-) ) -- 
> https://dev.tiki.org/Administration-UX-and-Control-Panels-re-organization#Enhanced_Grid_Display 
> . I'm talking about how the section grouping of features/links is 
> organized, not about their layout on the page. This grouping 
> suggestion is still a contender, I believe, and of course it's open to 
> tinkering and improvement.
>
> I'm sorry I wasn't involved in the RTM discussion of this -- I had 
> another meeting at the same time and couldn't pay good attention to both.
>
> -- Gary
>
>
>
>
> On 3/20/2021 1:31 AM, luciash via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bernard and all,
>>
>> under my supervision :) Katy quickly designed a first proposal, how 
>> the admin theme could look. Please check it out and leave some 
>> feedback on the page:
>>
>> https://dev.tiki.org/Administration-UX-and-Control-Panels-re-organization#First_step
>>
>> We will probably make some changes to the width of the sidebar and 
>> the sections but you get the idea... ;)
>>
>> She will make design for collapsed sidebar and mobile versions too.
>>
>> luci
>>
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