Re: [Tiki-devel] Smarty 4.0 with PHP 8 support

Hi all

24.x LTS is destined to be supported (somewhat unfeasibly i think) until 2027 according to https://tiki.org/Versions#A_visual_chart_of_the_support_period and PHP 7.x will be EOL by the end of 2023, so i don't think we have a choice, do we? PHP 7.4 is already entering "security fixes only" mode...

With the last upgrade struggle we had with Smarty (somewhere around 3.2 i think) it was very obvious that it didn't work, as the whole tiki was completely borken, so i would expect something similar this time, in that; if it seems to work ok then it probably does.

So let's have an MR for it at least and we can test?

Thanks Marc and all!

jonny




> On 1 Dec 2021, at 05:56, Bernard Sfez via TikiWiki-devel <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Good point luci. It's a case of "picking our poison"…
> 
> I agree with Marc on this, Tiki24 is our next LTS and will be the standard for many years.
> It should be at the edge (without too much risks) so it can be used for the next 5 years… 😳
> 
> Now his may require extra resources… Resources we don’t have but may be sponsored by a Canadian Company ? 😉 
> (Meaning Evoludata team is involved… else it can be suicidal - just being realistic)
> 
> I’m ok to set up a real life clone of a Tiki running using a lot of Smarty templates (with access) and test if it helps.
> 
> Regards,
> Bernard
> 
>> On 1 Dec 2021, at 3:25, [email protected] wrote:
>> 
>> Good point luci. It's a case of "picking our poison"...
>> 
>> Do we want Tiki 24.x to support PHP 8.x? If so, we should go for Smarty 4.x, but this can cause side-effects. Here is the big commit: https://github.com/smarty-php/smarty/pull/629/
>> 
>> 
>> Just so everyone knows:
>> 
>> 2020-July: We started working on PHP 8.0 support in Tiki trunk
>> https://gitlab.com/tikiwiki/tiki/-/merge_requests/504
>> 2020-Nov: PHP 8.0 is released
>> 2021-Nov: PHP 8.1 is released
>> 
>> AFAIK, all the __Tiki__ code in trunk is OK for PHP 8.x: Because we started early and responsibly, we could do this in the background, without rush or stress.
>> 
>> But with all the dependencies Tiki uses:
>> https://gitlab.com/tikiwiki/tiki/-/blob/master/vendor_bundled/composer.lock
>> it's to be expected that there are some laggards. Smarty being one of them.
>> 
>> Proposal:
>> We see who can quickly do a test upgrade to Smarty 4.x in a branch, and folks can test, and if deemed stable enough, we go for Tiki24, else, we wait for Tiki25. I just hope Smarty 3.x will get security fixes for a while: https://github.com/smarty-php/smarty/issues/686
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Marc
>> 
>> 
>> On 2021-11-29 13:44, luciash via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>>> Isn't 24.x too soon?
>>> luci
>>> On 27.11.2021 14:12, Jonny Bradley via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>>>> Coolio, thanks Marc!
>>>> I guess we should try it out - something for 24.x do you think?
>>>> jb
>>>>> On 26 Nov 2021, at 18:00, Marc Laporte <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Great news!
>>>>> https://dev.tiki.org/Smarty-4
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