Re: [Tiki-devel] Proposal of web push packages to be integrated into Tiki

Hello Victor,
Thank you for your very interesting feedback.

I have a concern with Ratchet lib, if we have to follow the use case that I
want to implement, so we have to develop a small standalone application
that will be used as a server and Tiki will be seen as the client in
bi-directional communication?

And also in any case, we will always use the Notification API to display
the notifications on the browser? without going through a service worker.

Best regards,



Le mer. 11 mai 2022 à 16:29, Victor Emanouilov via TikiWiki-devel <
[email protected]> a écrit :

> Hi Alvin (and others interested),
>
> I did some research here and think Web Push is still not mature enough to
> use. It is a WIP and only supported by part of the browsers -
> https://caniuse.com/push-api
>
> Also, the idea of running a service worker on the client side makes me
> doubt it will be stable any time soon provided the plethora of browsers and
> client-side systems, mobile, embedded clients, etc. Historically, it has
> always been better to abstract complexity on the server side rather than
> client side. This is just a personal view. Running a service worker on the
> client side allows you to receive a push notification even if you are
> outside the Tiki site which opens some use-cases but I think adds
> unnecessary security complications and also system implementation
> complications.
>
> Thus, can I recommend using the more traditional (but still modern)
> bi-directional communication channel of websockets? It is now
> well-established and I think has more browser support. This way, we get rid
> of requirement to have subscription endpoints and can integrate as a
> self-contained solution into Tiki.
>
> Please check the wonderful Ratchet lib (http://socketo.me/) built on top
> of ReactPHP (https://reactphp.org/) event-driven lib. Projects are well
> supported and widely used. Think of Ratchet as socket.io (nodejs app) in
> PHP. We have all the libs in PHP, we can integrate in Tiki. We need a
> running standalone server Ratchet app which can be proxied via apache/nginx
> or exposed on another public port on the server. There are OS and Pecl
> extensions to make it quite fast and also deployment specifics (
> http://socketo.me/docs/deploy) but we can't get rid of the complexity of
> the bi-directional communication. If we implement something like this, we
> can open many use-cases besides XYZ is typing... scenario. E.g. we
> currently have an issue waiting for long-running tasks on the web (e.g.
> Tiki manager initializing or upgrading existing Tikies), so we can use
> websockets to keep the connection open, push progress immediately to the
> browser and still keep the HTTP connection open, so user can continue using
> Tiki site while waiting. Lock/unlock mechanisms to prevent content
> overwrites are another example that benefits from this solution.
>
> Btw, we can even build an additional app on top of ReactPHP to handle our
> background jobs scheduler (currently partially hacked as a set of cron
> jobs). So, I can see multiple benefits of going this way rather than Web
> Push.
>
> Regards,
> Victor
> On 5/5/22 11:13 AM, Alvin Bauma wrote:
>
> Hi Jonny, Thanks for your feedback.
>
> After going through several documentations on integrating web push in PHP,
> I found that my first proposal on the list was the best and above all easy
> to integrate.
>
> As the functionality may start in Tiki24.x and 25.x, we won't really have
> a problem with the PHP version required for this package.
>
> We are just waiting for community approval to decide if we can proceed
> with the integration of this package.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Le lun. 2 mai 2022 à 16:06, Jonny Bradley via TikiWiki-devel <
> [email protected]> a écrit :
>
>> Hi Alvin
>>
>> Thanks for this initiative - i started looking into it recently to see if
>> we could add a "someone is typing a reply" thing in the comments/forum
>> posts (so we look all cool and trendy! 😎) but saw we are missing this as a
>> library/feature. Several posts i read said it's simple enough to implement
>> your own, but i wasn't convinced ;)
>>
>> Presumably it should use, and be integrated in to, the new API Victor
>> added for 24.x https://doc.tiki.org/tiki24#API so i guess his input
>> would be rather useful.
>>
>> Apart from that, the first one on your list
>> https://dev.tiki.org/Proposal-of-web-push-packages#minishlink_web-push
>> looks like the best fit for us if there are no other significant
>> differences (and we only need it for php 7.4+ in tiki 25/24+ right?)
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> jonny
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 2 May 2022, at 12:19, Alvin Bauma <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm currently working on Push Notification in Tiki, so I wanted to add
>> a PHP library to handle sending notifications.
>> > I did some research and I came across some interesting libraries that I
>> present in the page: https://avan.tech/proposal-of-web-push-packages.
>> >
>> > Please therefore analyze with me the choice of the library that we must
>> integrate.
>> >
>> > Regard,
>> >
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