Re: [Tiki-devel] A default for the list of plugins, whose bodies should be indexed

Volker Wysk <post-hhF2Jplw28UoZk/[email protected]> Sat, 01 Apr 2023 13:43:57 +0200
Newsgroups	gmane.comp.cms.tiki.devel
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Hi, Adrien!

Am Freitag, dem 31.03.2023 um 17:57 +0200 schrieb Adrien Maloba:
> Hello all, 
> 
> I have read all the thread of the discussions. I will give here the
> different proposals of everybody in synthesis and give my opinion.
> 
> - The first proposal is from Volker, you proposed to include a list of
> default plugins in the preference "Except included plugins"
> (unified_included_plugins);
> - Then there is another proposal from Rick Sapir, you proposed to add an
> option (searchable="y|n") in each plugin to allow flexibility (hit
> management system);
> - Volker, you proposed to add the settings "Include plugins" and "Exclude
> plugins" and also add a "Show
> defaults" button in the search panel to show activated and deactivated
> plugins.
> 
> In the last message you sent, you went back to the idea proposed by Rick
> Sapir and pointed out that the "Include plugins" and "Exclude
> plugins" already exist in Tiki, but they are just named differently.
> 
> Here is my thought:
> - Add an option to each plugin (searchable="y|n"). Give the value
> searchable="y" to all the plugins that we want to index by default.
> - Add another preference that we could call "Included plugins" different
> from "Except included plugins" (unified_included_plugins). This new
> preference will allow to include plugins with searchable="n" value that we
> want to make indexable without depending on "Exclude all plugins"
> preference.
> - Disable the preference "Exclude all plugins" by default, today this
> preference is enabled by default.
> 
> With these three proposals, we will have :
> - At the beginning, a list of indexed and non-indexed plugins by default
> thanks to the option (searchable="y|n").
> - A preference that allows to include plugins that we want to make
> indexable (The new preference)
> - A preference that allows to exclude some plugins even if they are
> searchable="y". This preference already exists "Excluded plugins"
> (unified_excluded_plugins)
> - A preference that allows all plugins "Exclude all plugins", if you
> activate it with the possibility to include some plugins with the
> preference "Except included plugins".

I'm not sure I get what you're saying with the last preference, but there
would no longer be an "Exclude all plugins" setting. There would only be the
default for each plugin (searchable="y|n") and the two settings which
override the defaults. Those two settings are "Include plugins" and "Exclude
plugins". Those two settings would be needed only very rarely, provided we
have good defaults.

Bye,
Volker

> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 at 20:39, Volker Wysk <post-hhF2Jplw28UoZk/[email protected]> wrote:
> > Am Freitag, dem 13.01.2023 um 13:51 -0500 schrieb Benoit Grégoire:
> > > On vendredi 13 janvier 2023 07 h 33 min 10 s EST Jonny Bradley via
> > > TikiWiki-devel wrote:
> > > > Hi Benoit, Volker and all
> > > > 
> > > > That's some pretty impressive feature creep, i was going to just add
> > > > that list:
> > > 
> > > Well, that's a good reason to talk about it ;)  To me at least:
> > > 
> > > - Even having a global "Include plugins" and "Exclude plugins" in
> > > preferences is kind of feature creep, because I can't see a case where
> > > it's the clear and logical answer to any user's need (To illustrate:
> > > when
> > > is the answer to "Should this be indexed" be "because it's been
> > > affected
> > > in some unknowable way by PluginDiv").  It's not even a list of
> > > defaults,
> > > it's an all-or-nothing thing!
> > 
> > I've thought of that, because we already have global settings for
> > indexing
> > or not indexing plugin bodies - in the "Exclude plugins" or "Except
> > included
> > plugins" search settings. 
> > 
> > Maybe you're right, and those settings should be abandoned altogether,
> > in
> > favor of global per-plugin settings, specified in the
> > "wikiplugin_..._info()" functions. And in favor of an optional
> > "searchable"
> > argument for all plugins.
> > 
> > I don't see a good reason either, why someone would want to override
> > those
> > settings, when the per-plugin defaults are reasonable.
> > 
> > Volker
> > 
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