Re: [Tiki-devel] Tiki trunk/master is switching today to PHP 8.1 minimum, in preparation for Tiki 26.0

Great! 

Thanks Marc and Benoit - that sounds like the best plan to me in the long run, so best to bite the php8 bullet now rather than way in the future when it's become super painful.

Looking forward to 26.0, should be epic! 

Do we have a star yet?

jonny




> On 14 May 2023, at 11:03, Bernard Sfez via TikiWiki-devel <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Added.
> 
>> On 13 May 2023, at 23:50, Marc Laporte <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, sure, we can add a "known issues" section on https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki26
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, 13 May 2023 12:12:42 +0300 Tiki developers [email protected] said
>> 
>>> Thank you Marc and all the team working on this huge update.
>>> As (my) usual I will start report as soon as Tiki26 is “branched” with
>>> selected real life sites.
>>> "There could be some lesser used features that are not functional in Tiki
>>> 26.0 because of an abandoned dependency. We'll work on these for 26.1 and
>>> 26.2.”
>>> To avoid extra reports and test of features not expected to stop from Tiki
>>> 26.0 / PHP8.1, will be possible to have and maintain (collaboratively) a list
>>> of abandoned dependency that require (or not) fixe ?
>>> Regards,
>>> Bernard
>>>> On 13 May 2023, at 1:44, Marc Laporte <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> A few other key takeaways from today and recent days:
>>>>>> 1- Benoit ran https://github.com/phpstan/phpstan on the Tiki code base. As
>>>> you would expect from a 20+ years-old code base, it had plenty of constructive
>>>> criticism. Benoit's next step is to filter that down to actionable chunks (now
>>>> vs later and expertise level required)
>>>>> 2- Here is a very important commit for GlitchTip work, and Smarty:
>>>> https://gitlab.com/tikiwiki/tiki/-/merge_requests/2691
>>>>> 3- Switching to PHP 8.1+ makes us eligible for dozens of Composer dependency
>>>> upgrades. We'll do a few now if they provide a known benefit. But most of the
>>>> other Composer upgrades will be done progressively after the release of Tiki
>>>> 26.0, with a goal that all Composer dependencies are on latest/almost latest
>>>> versions for 27.0
>>>>> Exciting times ahead!
>>>>> Marc
>>>>>> On Fri, 12 May 2023 18:00:45 -0400 [email protected], Tiki developers
>>>> [email protected] said
>>>>>> This is happening next week:
>>>>> https://gitlab.com/tikiwiki/tiki/-/merge_requests/2711
>>>>> The whole GlitchTip-Tiki team (which contributed about 200 bug fixes in last
>>>>> few weeks) will now shift its focus to PHP 8.1:
>>>>> https://dev.tiki.org/Using-GlitchTip-as-part-of-the-Tiki-development-process
>>>>> Please everyone switch your trunk/master systems to PHP 8.1 and be ready to
>>>>> update frequently because there will be a lot of commits coming Thank you
>>>> and best regards,
>>>>> Marc
>>>>> On Fri, 12 May 2023 15:15:29 -0400 [email protected], Tiki developers
>>>>> [email protected] said
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> As discussed in the chatroom, the PHP version support is increasingly a
>>>>>> concern.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> https://matrix.to/#/!SLEgqpTNTlGYAhzNvK:gitter.im/$9_JHuXClV_DzxsyfoRB1i9iLLMcs-NJcPWUnyejOyNo?via=matrix.org&via=gitter.im&via=coeus.ca
>>>>>>> After analysis, the best (less bad) option is to move to PHP 8.1 in
>>>> trunk
>>>>>> now, and sprint to fix all remaining PHP8 issues before the release of
>>>> 26.0
>>>>>> (ideally all before branching)
>>>>>>> Why not PHP 8.0? Extra work, and many important dependencies now require
>>>> PHP
>>>>>> 8.1 (if we want to leverage most modern code)
>>>>>>> Why not keep 7.4 and add 8.1? This is doable but more work. And it
>>>> prevents
>>>>>> us from fully taking advantage of PHP8  The time we save by testing and
>>>>>> fixing 7.4 is better invested in fixing more things in 8.1.
>>>>>>> What about PHP 8.2? We'll add support for Tiki 27LTS (and maintain 8.1)
>>>>>>> I updated:
>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/PHP8
>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Requirements
>>>>>>> So it will be a bumpy period, but it is the way to go. There could be
>>>> some
>>>>>> lesser used features that are not functional in Tiki 26.0 because of an
>>>>>> abandoned dependency. We'll work on these for 26.1 and 26.2.
>>>>>>> Thank you Benoit Grégoire for your energy and expertise here. Thank you
>>>>>> SoftStart for all the previous work on PHP8 support. Thank you to the
>>>>>> EvoluData dev team for all the recent work on PHP8, including some nasty
>>>>>> hard
>>>>>> crashes. The coming weeks will be bumpy and I am counting on you all.
>>>>>>> And special thanks to the PHP community for all the innovation. The
>>>> future
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> bright!
>>>>>> https://thephp.foundation/
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Marc
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