Re: [Tiki-devel] [Tiki-users] doc.tiki.org is down?!

Hi Marc,

I agree with your arguments but not with the conclusion.

If we are struggling to find resources to publish/manage 15+ years of data and if checking those data is an unrealistic project that will take a huge amount of hours.
Why would we try to do it ?

Monitoring those data will only add extra resources consumption and even if monitored, who will analyse and do some kind of action based on those reports ?
It won’t solve the huge amount of time issue to analyse reports, to clean pages, to move pages to warn about outdated information, etc.
I don’t see the point where once we decide a policy actions are turned into automatic process done by AI. 😉
(while I’ll be very glad to have improvement in the monitoring area on Tiki monitoring)

Unless there is a critical reason (and we should agree on it) to keep this heavy inheritance my conclusion is that we should move the data in a read only area where they’ll use as less as possible resources AND where it will be understandable that this is outdated or none-used data. (publishing those data are sometimes damaging Tiki image).


May be a fresh start (reset) is a but too much, but we can decide simple criteria for archiving pages (last visited/edited time).
Other project did that before us and they didn’t die...


Bernard

> On 22 Jul 2021, at 16:51 , Marc Laporte <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> For all the reasons above, I think we shouldn't keep 15+ years of data online
>> all the time in a Tiki. We should keep them archived somewhere and available as read only. 
> 
> I don't see how this is realistic with the current community and technology.
> 
> 1- It would take a huge amount of hours to manage such a project. Determine guidelines, go through content, etc.
> 
> 2- If we archive them somewhere, we are just transferring the problem somewhere else. What system? who will manage? what will lifecycle? how will links work? etc.
> 
> We could invest hundreds of hours to clean up data that has no impact on performance.
> 
> 
> I repeat my conclusion:
> "The main issue is that we do not have a proper monitoring system. We are somewhat blind to what are the root causes of issues."
> 
> Once we know the root causes, we can determine a sensible plan.
> 
> Marc
> 
> 
> 
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