Re: [Tiki-devel] [Tiki-users] doc.tiki.org is down?!

Hi Marc,

> @Bernard: I tried to explain the best I could.

I understand you feel like you explained everything you had to tell about this.

But I don’t see where you explain why it is important to keep those datas "alive" in our existing Tiki sites where they require resources, maintenance, monitoring, etc... (or I may have miss it).

We have a discussion about this in a few weeks and we will be able to complete and pass missing informations.
I’ve added examples of pages I have found that are outdated and can only (IMO) hurt our image when someone land on it + we lost the visitors (we should implement tools to redirect him to other pages). 

Then from our decisions we will decide what to do (after we agree on a realistic project).

Have a nice week-end,
Bernard





> On 24 Jul 2021, at 08:59 , Marc Laporte <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> @Bernard: I tried to explain the best I could.
> 
> If you want to propose a plan, I suggest you start a wiki page with the project.
> 
> Marc
> 
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 15:17:47 +0300 Bsfez Tiki [email protected] said
> 
>> Hi Marc,
>> I agree with your arguments but not with the conclusion.
>> If we are struggling to find resources to publish/manage 15+ years of data
>> and if checking those data is an unrealistic project that will take a huge
>> amount of hours.
>> Why would we try to do it ?
>> Monitoring those data will only add extra resources consumption and even if
>> monitored, who will analyse and do some kind of action based on those reports
>> ?
>> It won’t solve the huge amount of time issue to analyse reports, to clean
>> pages, to move pages to warn about outdated information, etc.
>> I don’t see the point where once we decide a policy actions are turned into
>> automatic process done by AI. 😉
>> (while I’ll be very glad to have improvement in the monitoring area on Tiki
>> monitoring)
>> Unless there is a critical reason (and we should agree on it) to keep this
>> heavy inheritance my conclusion is that we should move the data in a read
>> only area where they’ll use as less as possible resources AND where it will
>> be understandable that this is outdated or none-used data. (publishing those
>> data are sometimes damaging Tiki image).
>> May be a fresh start (reset) is a but too much, but we can decide simple
>> criteria for archiving pages (last visited/edited time).
>> Other project did that before us and they didn’t die...
>> Bernard
>> > On 22 Jul 2021, at 16:51 , Marc Laporte <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > >> For all the reasons above, I think we shouldn't keep 15+ years of data
>> > online
>> >> all the time in a Tiki. We should keep them archived somewhere and available
>> > as read only. > > I don't see how this is realistic with the current community and technology.
>> > > 1- It would take a huge amount of hours to manage such a project. Determine
>> > guidelines, go through content, etc.
>> > > 2- If we archive them somewhere, we are just transferring the problem
>> > somewhere else. What system? who will manage? what will lifecycle? how will
>> > links work? etc.
>> > > We could invest hundreds of hours to clean up data that has no impact on
>> > performance.
>> > > > I repeat my conclusion:
>> > "The main issue is that we do not have a proper monitoring system. We are
>> > somewhat blind to what are the root causes of issues."
>> > > Once we know the root causes, we can determine a sensible plan.
>> > > Marc
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