Re[2]: thinking

Am 10.10.2002 18:14 Uhr +0500 uebermittelte ilya folgende Zeilen:
>Hi!
>
>Thanks, Nathan, for letter.
>
>For users there are two problems:
>1. unknowing,
>2. heavy load from internet (20Mb)

Hello Ilya, hi list,

for [1]

I find your idea with the tutorials very interesting. I think we 
should start it ,-)

for [2]

for myself I'm using the snapshot packages, and yes, it's true there 
is always a big download. I think this is a very good way to start 
for somebody with tomcat already installed and no clue what wyona is 
all about. Download one war-file and here we go! However for the more 
advanced user, not using cvs, this might be annoying. Why not 
offering a special snapshot version only containing the relevant 
wyona-files? (as cocoon is already installed). What do the Wyonaistas 
think about that?

Markus


>[1]
>
>In now's documentation - it's hard to understand how all work, and what
>I must to do... (if I'am first-time-user of cocoon2)
>
>I understand what hard to write about all technologies what using in Wyona.
>
>Maybe - have one version WyonaCMS (for lite, st., pr. editions) but
>differents tutorials. Tutorials oriented for concrete task (for users
>who have different knowledge-level), and in this tutorials
>step-by-steps discribe each step - what need, and what making.
>
>Tutorials:
>1. Lite
>   1.1. Make one-page site tutorial (i think this well be very popular :)).
>   1.2. Make more complex site with navigation menu tutorial.
>   ...
>2. Standard
>   2.1. Make site with xsp tutorial.
>   2.2. Make site with esql tutorial.
>   ...
>3. Professional
>   3.1. Make authentification in site tutorial.
>   3.2. Working with Work-flow in site tutorial.
>   3.3. Working with Revision in site tutorial.
>   3.4. Working with Sheduler in site tutorial.
>   ...
>
>(all this possible to make by degrees-grow-difficult, each next based
>on previous)
>
>What important for end-user? - result.
>He want to make small steps - and see result.
>He dont want to understant all what is in Wyona (by week) and then
>make one page.
>
>---
>
>Also I think that useful will be function "WIZARD".
>I.e. there is "Wizard" for projects: "site for offline", "site with 
>user auth",
>"site with sheduler" and so on (make possible to make different
>project for self).
>
>Steps (for example):
>1. Open page "wizard" on them - list of projects (f.e. "simple site",
>"site with users" ...)
>2. Selecting project (f.e. "simple site"), go to next step.
>3. Name project - user entering name of project, "next".
>4. Wizard pages:
>   4.1. List with variant of oriented menu: top, left, right...
>   4.2. Variant of site-design: "fantasy", "techno", "simple" ...
>   4.3. Enter copyright information...
>   4.4. ...
>   4.5. Finish.
>5. Generate xml + xslt pages (blank), and discribe what user must to
>modify.
>6. User may already see site, but with blank information.
>7. User - modify XML page for self tasks.
>8. User generate offline
>9. User upload files to remote machime.
>10. User happy.
>
>
>[2]
>
>I see what in Wyona's 20Mb, Cocoon take up 90%.
>i.e make download ~5 Mb (for ordinary internet-user with dealup) is
>impossible.
>
>Solution - have all on CD, and market them.
>
>CD - 600Mb
>
>JDK:
>jdk1.x (win) - 50Mb
>jdk1.x (Linux) - 50Mb
>jdk1.x (FreeBSD) - 50Mb
>jdk1.x (Mac) - 50Mb
>jdk1.x (Solaris) - 50Mb
>(and other OS ...)
>Sum: ~ 300Mb
>
>Programs:
>Tomcat 4.x.x - 6Mb
>WyonaCMS (core) - 20Mb
>WyonaCMS (applications) - ??Mb
>Sum: 26Mb + ??
>
>(all with source)
>
>Cost of this disk - is only material - ~$1
>   + cost for write,
>   + cost for people who working on disk.
>   result: ~$3 (or less or more)
>
>all open-source, all legally, all may work on any platform (OS).
>I think that this is to be demand.
>
>This cd-disk may be buy(ed) and by beginner-user and by
>high-skill-java-programmer.
>
>And if also make paper-book about Wyona - it will be ideal :)
>(but only for english-native people...)
>and store cd in book.
>
>Ilya
>
>/ps: sorry for my beginner-english
>
>
>
>
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