Re: greg

"Gregory Remington" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:mailman.1047410346.15740.xaraya_curiosa-n5IRV0TL0hwRxVAL8JNkP+OyGI2DFzLe@public.gmane.org
> Murilo Wrote:
>
> Xaraya folks aren't evil. Zoom, Harry, John C., Gregor, Steve
> Macgregor and some others and simply lack diplomatic tact and good bed
> side manners.

So do you.  So do I.  So does everyone from time to time, particularly when
attacked on an incorrect assumption.  Particularly when after such a
misunderstanding has been explained, and clarified, and "apologized" for,
the person who began the attack not only does not let it drop, but moves off
onto a completely different tangent, a tangent for which he has no firsthand
information, no firsthand experience, and absolutely no clue about that of
which he speaks.  Particularly when people find themselves "reported" to an
outside agency which does not have, never has had, and never will have any
authority over them.  Particularly when people find themselves, their
beliefs, and their very moral fibre not only questioned but slandered,
belittled, distorted, and maligned by individuals who have never even met
them.

> Most of the problems we face now stem from the in fighting we
> wittnessed back in the early days of the PostNuke core development
> group. Monkey see monkey do. It's the community that should be
> important not a core development team. A project leader needs to
> assess the needs of the general community not a special interest
> group.

These are your opinions, and you're welcome to them.  But under no
circumstance should we, or any other group of people who disagree with you,
fall in line with what you think we should be doing.

> Perhaps we simply need new leadership or a more democratic community.
> I personally love Xaraya and PostNuke.

Great.  Wonderful.  So do I.

But there's this one little point you're missing here, Greg.  The only "we"
who has any say in the Xaraya leadership is the "we" who are part of the
project.  Should you ever join our team, then you can speak of "our" need
for new leadership.  "We" are quite happy with who and what we have now.

> Agreed. Maybe we need a completely new paradigm.

If you think Xanthia needs a new paradigm then by all means, create one.

> Harry was left as the defualt project leader. I don't think he was
> elected through a democratic vote. Regardless Harry and John are at
> the mercy of the general communty. Project leaders come and go... GPL
> code lasts forever.

Harry is at the mercy of the general community.  John is at the mercy of no
one.  Xaraya has no community.  Xaraya has no stable release.  Xaraya has no
beta project.

Besides, John isn't the only one in charge.

> Zoom did adress the 'Open Letter to the PostNuke Community' but it
> seems the link is now missing... hmmmm.

No, he didn't.  Simon did.

> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.postnuke.devel/8335
>
> Censorship strikes again? Where do we draw the line between censorship
> and healthy debate?
>
> In fact most of these links don't work under
> http://news.gmane.org/thread.php?
> group=gmane.comp.web.postnuke.devel&first=501&last=550
>
> Harry?

Don't ask Harry questions on this list.  If you have a question for Harry,
take it to him.  Don't clog our lists up with questions to him.

> I like Block Layout in concept and Encompass. In fact we forked
> Encompass and are calling it Xanthia. Xanthia could provide a nice UI
> for Block Layout.

BlockLayout is not a concept any more.

> There is more than Rick and Craig. I've begun contacting
> Developers "untainted" by the past. We plan on moving in on both
> PostNuke and Xaraya code bases. Our clients pay us to do this.

More power to ya.  You want the Xaraya codebase?  Take it.  It's GPL.  We
can't stop you.  Knock yourself out with it.

But "moving in on" is rather strong wording for "adapting and modifying."
Do you have something else in mind here?

> I'm not putting credits on Xarara. I'm holding the DDF accountable for
> present and future actions. I do not see why the DDF cannot join
> resources with the FSF. Aren't we about the philosophy behind the GPL
> or is it all simply business? I think business and ideology go hand in
> hand. That's what a mission statement represents. Any good business
> plan has a mission statement ;)

OK, Greg, here's the fact.  Plain and simple so you can understand it.

The DDF does have a mission statement.  The fact that you've not seen it
does not make it non-existant.  I'm so sorry that they forgot to include you
in the list of people they notified.  What with making sure they held to the
letter of the law, and the spirit of their own bylaws, they simply must have
forgotten that you are to be notified of each and every single decision and
statement they make.

It does not matter what you can and cannot see.  The DDF is not "joining"
the FSF.  Have a problem with that?  Fine.  Either keep it to yourself or
express that in a valid manner, which is to the DDF.public list.  Do not
continue clogging the Xaraya lists with your opinions on the DDF.

No matter what your view of your actions over the past three days may be,
the fact remains that you have NOT satisified yourself with expressing your
concerns.  You have moved into speculation and theory, based on nothing, and
begun contributing to a course of discussion that has attempted, without
succeeding, in destroying the reputations not only of a legal corporation
but also of the people, damn good people, who work for it.  You have not
expressed concern over the DDF's method of operation.  You have expressed
contempt for the fact that they dare to exist without your blessing.  You
have not raised valid concerns over the standard operating procedure of a
legal entity.  You have questioned the morals of individual people, labeled
them as unreliable and untrustworthy.

Not your words, Greg, but you stood behind them.

When *you* and you alone decided that the DDF should not exist, *you* and
you alone took it upon yourself to "notify the authorities."  You and you
alone took it upon yourself to "report" them.  You and you alone decided
that the unvalidated opinion of a *webmaster* was to be taken as thought it
had been spoken by RMS himself.

Now, you tell me.  Who seems the reactionary here?

<snip>

> Agreed. It's time for action not talk.
>
> Greg

Then with all due respect...shut up.

bri