Re: greg

Greg,

I've asked nicely, as has Chris.  Please respect our wishes and take your
POV elsewhere.  If it is so important to you, start your own mailing list
and discuss it there.  You've even been given permission to post an
invitation for those interested to follow you to your list.

In any event, please do not pirate our resources for your own objectives, no
matter how noble you think your cause.

Regards,

Doug Daulton


"Gregory Remington" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:mailman.1047410341.15473.xaraya_curiosa-n5IRV0TL0hwRxVAL8JNkP+OyGI2DFzLe@public.gmane.org
> Murilo Wrote:
>
> > OK, Xaraya folks are evil, as Zoom says. Anyone can read that via web
> > or news. It's public. If ppl want to be tricked, let'em. You made
> > enough fair warnings, but humans are stupid. Simply look at drugs or
> > aids (due to lack of condom) stats.
>
> Xaraya folks aren't evil. Zoom, Harry, John C., Gregor, Steve
> Macgregor and some others and simply lack diplomatic tact and good bed
> side manners.
>
> Most of the problems we face now stem from the in fighting we
> wittnessed back in the early days of the PostNuke core development
> group. Monkey see monkey do. It's the community that should be
> important not a core development team. A project leader needs to
> assess the needs of the general community not a special interest
> group.
>
> Perhaps we simply need new leadership or a more democratic community.
> I personally love Xaraya and PostNuke.
>
> > Let's this issue rest here, because some ppl don't want xaraya to
> > become pn2.
>
> Agreed. Maybe we need a completely new paradigm.
>
>
> > Harry and Zoom had already gone through all this time
> > ago. Former pn.8 devs left to carry their POV/way of coding, leaving
> > PN under harry's control.
>
> Harry was left as the defualt project leader. I don't think he was
> elected through a democratic vote. Regardless Harry and John are at
> the mercy of the general communty. Project leaders come and go... GPL
> code lasts forever.
>
> > If Zoom is so worried about
> > closed development or losing access to the code, why didn't he
> shouted
> > at NOC being run by a tachionnet (or the like), a commercial company
> > by Neo and MagicX? What about pnMatrix, a forum that took place of
> > CVS, where you must post you contribution to be checked by community
> > and core devs before being added?
>
> Zoom did adress the 'Open Letter to the PostNuke Community' but it
> seems the link is now missing... hmmmm.
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.postnuke.devel/8335
>
> Censorship strikes again? Where do we draw the line between censorship
> and healthy debate?
>
> In fact most of these links don't work under
> http://news.gmane.org/thread.php?
> group=gmane.comp.web.postnuke.devel&first=501&last=550
>
> Harry?
>
>
> > Or what exactly was different in the process of .8 devs choosing BL
> > and pnPhoenix (or NeoNuke, as had being named) going w/ Samrty? Did
> > you vote for this? Did Zoom? Where can we see the real life
> > benchmarks? Or the public thread regarding this?
>
> I like Block Layout in concept and Encompass. In fact we forked
> Encompass and are calling it Xanthia. Xanthia could provide a nice UI
> for Block Layout.
>
>
> >
> > Now Harry's back, and initially I supported him on the LostNuke
> thing.
> > pnPhoenix devs overreacted clearly to take harry off pn. But they
> > failed, and left. Now, we have apparently only Rick (and Craig?)
> > coding for PN, trying to dig into the code.
>
> There is more than Rick and Craig. I've begun contacting
> Developers "untainted" by the past. We plan on moving in on both
> PostNuke and Xaraya code bases. Our clients pay us to do this.
>
> > Althought, what's the hot topic? Xaraya's harm to OS. Ok, 1st, you're
> > putting a lot of credits on Xaraya! Good enough for a vaporware, to
> > use a common word on this topic in the past. 2nd, ppl in PN are
> > missing the point: they're not evolving not due to Xaraya, but
> > themselves.
>
> I'm not putting credits on Xarara. I'm holding the DDF accountable for
> present and future actions. I do not see why the DDF cannot join
> resources with the FSF. Aren't we about the philosophy behind the GPL
> or is it all simply business? I think business and ideology go hand in
> hand. That's what a mission statement represents. Any good business
> plan has a mission statement ;)
>
> > Where's the community support Harry requested so
> > much? Where's the web/mail/news integration (btw, I'd like to see the
> > logs of the discussion which led to phpbb forums "integration" to
> > pn/.com)?
> > What happened to irc? and so on...
>
> That old paradigm my be replaced soon. Time will tell. Let's give
> control to the community, assign new leadership and see what happens
> next ;)
>
> > Again, let's lock this discussion outta here. And if you're really
> > concerned abiout PN future, there too.
>
> Agreed. It's time for action not talk.
>
> Greg