Re:Digest Number 370

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> There are 8 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: gps
> From: Olivier Michel 
> 2. Re: Re: question & bugs in .21
> From: Olivier Michel 
> 3. Bob disappeared
> From: "Anders Lyhagen" 
> 4. Re: Bob disappeared
> From: "Anders Lyhagen" 
> 5. Re: Bob disappeared
> From: Olivier Michel 
> 6. little idea about contest
> From: "premyslvolf" 
> 7. Contest finals today!
> From: Olivier Michel 
> 8. Re: little idea about contest
> From: Olivier Michel 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 13:18:25 +0200
> From: Olivier Michel 
> Subject: Re: gps
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> Anders Lyhagen wrote:
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> >Hi,
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> >Are the values gps_get_matrix(gps) [0] and gps_get_matrix(gps) [2] 
> >distorted in the contest??
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> >
> I think so.
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> -Olivier
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 13:19:50 +0200
> From: Olivier Michel 
> Subject: Re: Re: question & bugs in .21
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> > I've seen yesterday that the top 5 competitors now play in 10 winning 
> > sets and I think that it's a good improvement, thanks Olivier!
> >
> > I have carefully watched Chunky's performance, and noticed that he 
> > won 3/2 against Japp, then 3/2 against Kubiak, then 3/2 against 
> > Capoeriste in very uncertain fights in 3 winning sets, before he 
> > finally reached rank 2 and only lost 10/6 against Bob. Since there are 
> > only 2 more rounds before the end and no time for the hall of fame to 
> > stabilise, my question is : is it possible to apply the 10 sets rule 
> > not only for the 5 top competitors but for the 10 or 15 top ones? Do 
> > you see any inconvenient in that change? The round would last a bit 
> > longer but this would really decrease the random factor for the last 2 
> > days...
> >
> Ok, let's move it to the 15 top competitors.
> 
> -Olivier
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 16:15:22 +0200
> From: "Anders Lyhagen" 
> Subject: Bob disappeared
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> Hi,
> 
> Bob disappeared from the Hall of fame when I tried to update...Is there a
> way to put him back?
> 
> /Anders.L
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 16:23:17 +0200
> From: "Anders Lyhagen" 
> Subject: Re: Bob disappeared
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> Seems he found his way back...
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> > Hi,
> > 
> > Bob disappeared from the Hall of fame when I tried to update...Is there a
> > way to put him back?
> > 
> > /Anders.L
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 16:21:37 +0200
> From: Olivier Michel 
> Subject: Re: Bob disappeared
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> This is because you deleted the description.txt file. I restored it 
> (empty). Please re-upload the original version.
> 
> -Olivier
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> Anders Lyhagen wrote:
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> >Hi,
> >
> >Bob disappeared from the Hall of fame when I tried to update...Is there a
> >way to put him back?
> >
> >/Anders.L
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> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:17:29 -0000
> From: "premyslvolf" 
> Subject: little idea about contest
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> Hi all,
> 
> I think that idea to figth ten rounds instead of three is very good. 
> But it isn't still ideal. I think, that could be fine, if it is 
> possible to fight everyone with everyone in first five (10,15..)
> robots, becasou if you are now right behind a good one (who just made 
> new controller), you have no chance to get better position (even if 
> you are better than some robots with higher position. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Premysl / Japp
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> 
> PS.
> Sorry about my english, I'll try to be better :)
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> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 09:59:13 +0200
> From: Olivier Michel 
> Subject: Contest finals today!
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> Hi,
> 
> The final round is today! Get ready to watch it online! Yesterday, Bob 
> was defeated by RoboMarci by 9-6 (a clear victory). RoboMarci currently 
> holds the first prize, but for how long ? It seems that chunky (#3, 
> former #2) was already updated since then... Also Japp and Curry got 
> updated, moreover I expect to see new versions for Bob, Kubiak and 
> probably others as well before the round starts...
> 
> So, nothing is done as of yet and RoboMarci will have to fight hard to 
> keep the top position!
> 
> Today, when the round ends, we will know the winner of this contest!
> 
> Shall I start to prepare the shipping of the Hemisson robot and Webots 
> PRO pack to Romania or somewhere else ? ;)
> 
> -Olivier
> http://www.cyberbotics.com/contest
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> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 10:10:45 +0200
> From: Olivier Michel 
> Subject: Re: little idea about contest
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> 
> > I think that idea to figth ten rounds instead of three is very good. 
> >But it isn't still ideal. I think, that could be fine, if it is 
> >possible to fight everyone with everyone in first five (10,15..)
> >robots, becasou if you are now right behind a good one (who just made 
> >new controller), you have no chance to get better position (even if 
> >you are better than some robots with higher position. 
> > 
> >
> For sure the current system isn't ideal and I believe there is no ideal 
> system. It is always a compromise between efficiency, simplicity and 
> round duration. Since the rounds are played every weekday, a bad robot 
> would slowly get down whereas your good robot will climp up more 
> rapidly. Of course, you may temporarily be blocked by a robot which is 
> better than yours and hence the ranking doesn't exactly reflect exaclty 
> the absolute performance ranking. An option would be to freeze the 
> upload of controllers for the finals and run several rounds (ideally as 
> much as there are competitors in the contest) to get a better ranking. 
> However, currently only the first robot receive a prize and the current 
> system garantees that if your robot is at any position in the hall of 
> the fame, it will climb up to the top in one round if it's able to 
> defeat any other robot.
> 
> This is why I believe the current system is fair. I think you have to 
> take into consideration that the contest is spread over time and robots 
> entering the contest earlier receive a very little more chance to 
> achieve a better ranking (since they are less likely to be temporarily 
> blocked by another robot).
> 
> -Olivier
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