Re: boring matches

I agree with Bothari in the sense that last robot in the Hall of Fame is not
necessary the least active. There are some robots that don't do anything at
all during the match, but are far from last position. On the other hand, I
disagree with idea not to perform matches between robots when one of them
regulary beats another since it may discurage use of some automated lerning
methods (like trying to find best strategy for current opponent by logging
and analysing stratgy used in the match and comparing it to results).

It seems to me that probably best thing to do is to check if some robot has
moved in the last 15 secs (or so), and disqualify him if not. Also, maybe
you can eliminate robots from the Hall of Fame by checking if they have
moved at all in the last match/round by examining results.txt (XYZBot
covered x.y m... text).

-FiremanFred



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Subject: Re: [webots-contest] boring matches


>
>
> I disagree with the proposition.
> It is only based on the false assumption that the last robot is a boring
one.
> Moreover, it doesn't solve anything, as the supposed boring robot can get
back
> the day after.
>
> So, according to me, eliminating the last robot is not a solution to get
ride of
> boring matches.
>
> A boring matches is for me : a match facing the same two robots than the
day
> before, when none of them has been updtated, and when one of them is
clearly
> superior to the other one (ie score of 3-0 or 3-1)
>
> A solution can be to not perform these boring matchs, by just keeping last
day
> result.
> This way a robot keep it's position in the hall of fame (whatever it is)
without
> fighting, because the above and below robot are the same than the day
before,
> and because there is no doubt about who will be the winner if the matches
is
> replayed.
>
> Concerning matches with rounds all ended by time out, I don't think they
are
> automatically boring ones. If they are, the above filter will probably
allow to
> have them played only one time.
>
> With suche a rule, by highlighting new played matches, it will be able to
focus
> on what is new in the contest, and identify stable robot groups in the
hall of
> fame that no more need to figth because they have established their
position.
>
> Bothari, whose opinion is not based on the fact he is at the bottom of the
hall
> of fame ;)
>
>
> Olivier Michel wrote:
> > Concerning the limitation on boring matches / boring robots, I believe
> > the best way to work around this is to eliminate the last robot in the
> > hall of fame every day until the hall of fame has a minimum number of
> > entries (let's say 10 at the begining). A robot which has been
> > eliminated this way can get back into the contest simply by submitting a
> > new version of its controller: his main class will be simply renamed to
> > MyEclecticJudoka.class-eliminated. It is simple to implement and easy to
> > understand (no energy level, arbitraty distance covered by the robot
> > during an arbitrary number of seconds, etc.). Let me know if you have
> > any thoughts about it so that I could proceed with this idea soon.
> > -Olivier
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