Re: [argouml-dev] Release 1.0 (was - Release schedule)

Bob,

I just want to add that I appreciate your fantastic recent work, and that of course I keep on helping any user/developer in his/her work with ArgoUML. Just to make sure that I don't want to be inadequately selfish.

Thomas

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 26 May 2011 10:29:48 +0200
> Von: Thomas Neustupny <[email protected]>
> An: [email protected]
> Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] Release 1.0 (was - Release schedule)

> Hi Bob,
> 
> I keep my opinion on version 1.0 and *internal* interfaces, because
> version 1.0 has to be viewed from the user perspective rather than developer
> perspecive.
> 
> Having ArgoUML 1.0 with clean interfaces but incomplete UML2 support and
> no Undo is ridiculous in my eyes. That's why I do not complain about our
> 0.x.x version numbers. It reflects the truth that ArgoUML lacks from a
> complete functional team (completeness regarding team roles) and has major
> shortcomings. I wish ArgoUML progresses, but it doesn't stop me from being a fan
> of this tool and using/improving it for my own work.
> 
> Regards,
> Thomas
> 
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Wed, 25 May 2011 18:17:16 +0100
> > Von: Bob Tarling <[email protected]>
> > An: [email protected]
> > Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] Release 1.0 (was - Release schedule)
> 
> > If I were to choose an option I would lean towards Michiel rather than
> > Thomas
> > 
> > If we are ignoring our own internal interface issues then we should
> > have branded ourselves as 1.0 long ago so why should we now wait.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > On 25 May 2011 15:17, Thomas Neustupny <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > it's clear that we have not yet an agreed decision about that. So here
> > is another (my) opinion on 1.0:
> > >
> > > I'd vote for a 1.0 release when we have:
> > > 1. stable UML2 support with all diagrams and OCL
> > > 2. Undo/Redo
> > >
> > > I don't think UML 1.4 is enough for a 1.0 release in 2011, we're years
> > too late for that.
> > >
> > > I also don't think that internal interfaces are to be considered for
> the
> > 1.0 release, because a "1.0" clearly should address users, not
> developers.
> > Also eclipse integration or integration of/into other frameworks (e.g.
> GEF
> > substitution) are not criteria in my eyes.
> > >
> > > For marketing reasons, one could also consider visual changes that
> will
> > come with 1.0, but this is not what I'd be interested in. Maybe a new
> > logo/splashscreen. I don't care too much here.
> > >
> > > Just my 2 cents.
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > >> Datum: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:38:44 +0200
> > >> Von: Michiel van der Wulp <[email protected]>
> > >> An: [email protected]
> > >> Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] Release 1.0 (was - Release schedule)
> > >
> > >> On 25-05-11 13:31, Bob Tarling wrote:
> > >> > 3. ASAP
> > >> >
> > >> > As an application ArgoUML is stable and improving. So moving to
> > >> > release 1.0 promotes that stability to the users. The users don't
> > >> > really care that our internal interfaces are not particularly well
> > >> > defined.
> > >>
> > >> Hmmm,  I would like to have ArgoUML 1.0 now as the stable release to
> > use
> > >> for UML 1 and then after a while ArgoUML 2.0 as the first stable
> > release
> > >> supporting UML2...
> > >> Yes, V1.0 ASAP.
> > >> Michiel
> > >>
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