Re: Any update on Mckoi's status?

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The silence is deafening...

I mean the silence of Toby, the original developer. If he is no longer watching this mailing list, this speaks for itself. If he is watching, but keeps silent, then this is even more telling.

Either way, I am growing more pessimistic by the hour.

And no, I do not expect a group of other Java programmers to pick up a project that seems to have been abandoned. If the original authors did not have enough interest and/or confidence in the merits of the project, the outsiders never will.

Maybe it's just me.

Alex Molochnikov

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard S. Hall" <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: Any update on Mckoi's status?
To: [email protected]

> "dead" does not necessarily == "trash"...
> 
> Sometimes leaders of open source projects also have to "wake up 
> to 
> reality" and move onto other things.
> 
> For someone interested in leading a database project, it 
> certainly makes 
> more sense to start with an existing one than to start from 
> scratch...unless of course the existing project really is trash.
> 
> However, I don't think that is the case for Mckoi, it always 
> worked 
> reasonably well for me. "Better" depends on the metric, but why 
> stick 
> around the mckoi mailing list if you think it is trash?
> 
> -> richard
> 
> Alexander Finger wrote:
> > Personally I can't imagine why anyone would waste their time. 
> If 
> > you're going to try and help continue development on a 
> database their 
> > are plenty of better open source ones out there. McKoi is dead 
> I am 
> > sure and nothing is going to bring her back...
> >
> > A
> >
> > On Jan 28, 2008 4:42 PM, Tena Sakai <[email protected] 
> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi folks,
> >
> >     If I were 10 years younger,
> >     If my mortgage was a bit less and 
> therefore I could afford to work
> >     less than full time,
> >     If I were a bit more fluent in database,
> >     If I were a bit smarter and more ambitious,
> >
> >     THEN I would write to Tobi (is that 
> his name?) and ask:
> >
> >     a) would he be willing to play a role 
> of assisting a small group
> >     of developers,
> >     b) what plans he had had for the 
> future of mcKoi while he was
> >     leading the project actively,
> >
> >     AND
> >
> >     If his response were positive, I would 
> assemble a small group
> >     (fewer than 6) of java programmers...
> >
> >     Oops, I just woke up from a nice dream 
> and back into a reality.  I
> >     think that's what they call this
> >     thing I live in.  But some of you 
> may be freer, more ambirious,
> >     more devoting...
> >     McKoi doesn't have to die.
> >
> >     Tena Sakai
> >     [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> >
> >
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of
> >     Richard S. Hall
> >     Sent: Mon 1/28/2008 1:07 PM
> >     To: [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>     Subject: 
> Re: Any update on Mckoi's status?
> >
> >     The benefit of Mckoi being open source 
> is that anyone that wants
> >     to can
> >     pick up and start where the original 
> developers left off...
> >
> >     -> richard
> >
> >     Alexander Molochnikov wrote:
> >     > Two days ago I asked he same 
> question on this mailing list.
> >     > 
> >     > So far, no reply from the developers 
> of the database.
> >     > 
> >     > It does not look promising.
> >     > 
> >     > Alex
> >     >
> >     > ----- Original Message -----
> >     > From: "M. A. Sridhar" 
> <[email protected]>     
> <mailto:[email protected]>>>     > 
> Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:46 am
> >     > Subject: Any update on Mckoi's status?
> >     > To: Mckoi mailing list 
> <[email protected]>     
> <mailto:[email protected]>>>     >
> >     > > Does anyone know what's happening 
> with Mckoi? As  you know,
> >     > > the last email in the archives is 
> dated last June, so I'm
> >     > > wondering if/when the next version 
> might be available.
> >     > >
> >     > > Regards.
> >     > > 
> >     > > M. A. Sridhar
> >     > > m_a_sridhar at yahoo dot com
> >     > >
> >     > >
> >     > >
> >
> >
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=3CDIV=3EAlex Molochnikov=3CBR=3E=3CBR=3E----- Original Message -----=3C=
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=26nbsp=3B Oops=2C I just woke up from a nice dream =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B and=
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gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B thing I live in=2E=
=26nbsp=3B But some of you =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B may be freer=2C more ambirio=
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BR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B Tena Saka=
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t=3B=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B --=
---Original Message-----=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B From=3A mckoidb=40mckoi=2Ecom =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26lt=3B=
mailto=3Amckoidb=40mckoi=2Ecom=26gt=3B on behalf of=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26g=
t=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B Richard S=2E Hall=3CBR=3E=26=
gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B Sent=3A Mon 1/28/=
2008 1=3A07 PM=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
nbsp=3B To=3A mckoidb=40mckoi=2Ecom =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26lt=3Bmailto=3Amc=
koidb=40mckoi=2Ecom=26gt=3B=26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=
=3B Subject=3A =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Re=3A Any update on Mckoi=27s status=3F=3C=
BR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nb=
sp=3B=26nbsp=3B The benefit of Mckoi being open source =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =
is that anyone that wants=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B to can=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B pick up and start where the original =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =
developers left off=2E=2E=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26=
gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B -=26gt=3B richard=3CBR=3E=26=
gt=3B =26gt=3B=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
nbsp=3B Alexander Molochnikov wrote=3A=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=
=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B Two days ago I asked he same =3C=
BR=3E=26gt=3B question on this mailing list=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26=
nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=
=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B So far=2C no reply fro=
m the developers =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B of the database=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26=
gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =
=26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B It does not lo=
ok promising=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
nbsp=3B =26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B Alex=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B ----- Original Message -----=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =
=26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B From=3A =22M=2E=
 A=2E Sridhar=22 =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26lt=3Bm=5Fa=5Fsridhar=40yahoo=2Ecom=26=
gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26lt=3Bm=
ailto=3Am=5Fa=5Fsridhar=40yahoo=2Ecom=26gt=3B=26gt=3B=26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Date=3A Monday=2C =
January 28=2C 2008 11=3A46 am=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B Subject=3A Any update on Mckoi=27s status=3F=
=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B=
 To=3A Mckoi mailing list =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26lt=3Bmckoidb=40mckoi=2Ecom=
=26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26lt=3B=
mailto=3Amckoidb=40mckoi=2Ecom=26gt=3B=26gt=3B=26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B =26gt=3B Does anyone know what=27s happeni=
ng =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B with Mckoi=3F As=26nbsp=3B you know=2C=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B=
 =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B =26gt=3B the =
last email in the archives is =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B dated last June=2C so I=27=
m=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=
=3B =26gt=3B wondering if/when the next version =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B might b=
e available=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
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nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B =26gt=3B Regards=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=26=
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