RE: RE: Toolbar Visual Style default

>>Another thing to keep in mind - TOAD is not an app being used by people 
who are intimidated by computers and need to have a fun or pretty 
interface so no one is scared by it.  It is a serious tool for 
professionals.  If you want cute and fun, get Angry Birds for your 
computer.  :-)

BRAVO ! !  Much better said I could ever have.

Ray Paschke
System Analyst
Federal Home Loan Bank of Pittsburgh
Desk: 412-288-5548
Cell: 412-260-7026



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I hate ribbons - they are such a waste of space.  Even though 
theoretically they would take up the same space as the toolbars I'm 
currently showing, I have 88 different icons displaying that allow me to 
run an action with 1 click - not to mention the single clicks I can use to 
switch windows and all the right-click and drop-down options for things I 
can do with 2 clicks plus the menu.  In Excel, with the ribbons I have 
only half the number of icons and have to use two or three clicks to do 
anything else.  Not to mention that to get the icons I use most often on 
the ribbon is not possible.  (Yeah, I can customize the Quick Access 
Toolbar, but can only get a finite number of icons there.

Keep in mind that when I upgrade my programs I am not one to find the way 
to make it look like it used to and I do like the look of many of the new 
programs.  I just don't see the point in doing anything to change TOAD to 
be more like other programs.

If you really want to give TOAD a new look, update the icons.  Don't 
change them completely from what they are, just make them look more 
cartoony and "friendly"- not the buttons, the graphics.  That's pretty 
much what the other programs have done. 

Another thing to keep in mind - TOAD is not an app being used by people 
who are intimidated by computers and need to have a fun or pretty 
interface so no one is scared by it.  It is a serious tool for 
professionals.  If you want cute and fun, get Angry Birds for your 
computer.  :-)

(I was going to say a tool for serious professionals but realized that 
would knock at least a handful of us out of qualifying, myself especially 
included.  I may be seriously professional about my work, but I am rarely 
serious!)

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Norman Dunbar
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [toad] RE: Toolbar Visual Style default

Evening Mark,

On 26/04/12 17:49, Mark Lerch wrote:
> ok, so that's 100% for Enhanced. This is contrary to an internal email I
> got yesterday regarding that style:
Marketing department?

> ...

> ... remove MDI, go with ribbons.
Don't you dare! If you go with ribbons, I go with SQL Developer! Or I 
write my own "Toad", in assembler at that, with direct calls to OCI 
routines for added masochism!


> we cite what we hear on the boards we're dismissed with "yes, but that's
> just that tiny little subset and they don't represent the whole."
Definitely marketing then!

> ...

> We don't work that way. Thus the speed, thus the warts.
Not many toads are wart free, so if it's Toad then there simply has to 
be warts.

And let's face it, it could be the most beautiful interface in the 
entire universe (or indeed multiverse) but if it didn't work, then it's 
useless. Toad works - and as a DBA, that's what I want. Something with 
the power of SQL*Plus but easier to use to make me more productive.

Developers will see more benefits than I do, but I couldn't really be 
without it.


-- 
Cheers,
Norm. [TeamT]


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