Re: Slonik!
Abdullah Alger <[email protected]> Fri, 6 Dec 2019 08:45:52 -0800
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--Apple-Mail=_BE3013E0-DFF1-4A80-99BC-9A9D17C47A16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 To me, it looks like the Ruby logo, but blue. At least that=E2=80=99s my = first impression - and I=E2=80=99m not a Rubyist.=20 I=E2=80=99m not certain that a diamond represents strength or = reliability in a logo. I=E2=80=99d assume that diamond would represent = something like elegance or beauty. I could be wrong. > On Dec 6, 2019, at 8:40 AM, Andrej <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > Hi Bryan, >=20 > If you hadn't posted that logo of yours to this group, including the = current one, I wouldn't have recognised it as a stylised elephant, > which, to me, implies that it may not be a good representation of an = elephant. Actually - even seeing them side by side I still don't > recognise it as an elephant. It looks like a stylised rendition of the = old logo. >=20 >=20 > Kind regards, > Andrej >=20 > On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 22:13, BFarrell915 <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hello PostgreSQL advocacy group, >=20 > I recently contacted the core team about a logo design I came up with. = Bruce kindly directed me towards this group.=20 >=20 > As you can see in the forwarded message below, logo design is a bit of = a hobby for me. If you and the community agree that the design has = potential, I would be happy to iterate on the design based on your = feedback. >=20 > If not, it was a fun project for me anyway. >=20 > Thank you, > Bryan Farrell >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: Bruce Momjian <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: Slonik! >> Date: November 26, 2019 at 20:26:11 EST >> To: BFarrell915 <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>=20 >>=20 >> I would email the Postgres advocacy list, = [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>, >> and see what they think about it. It is certainly a new direction in >> design and has potential. >>=20 >> = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= - >>=20 >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:37:29AM -0500, BFarrell915 wrote: >>> Hello PostgreSQL Core Team, >>>=20 >>> My name is Bryan, I=E2=80=99m a developer by trade, and I recently = started using PostgreSQL in a Django project I=E2=80=99m working on! >>>=20 >>> Logo design is also somewhat of a hobby for me, and I enjoy = researching the history behind logos and the like. Naturally, I started = researching the history behind the PostgreSQL logo soon after I started = using it. I came across this article = <https://www.vertabelo.com/blog/the-history-of-slonik-the-postgresql-eleph= ant-logo = <https://www.vertabelo.com/blog/the-history-of-slonik-the-postgresql-eleph= ant-logo>> which gives a fairly detailed history of Slonik and the = choices behind its creation. In that article, I also came across this = gem (pun intended). >>>=20 >>> <dcb3cdea445cd570ae69e35c0ab683f9.png> >>>=20 >>> While not what I would consider an outstanding logo, I really liked = the idea of using a diamond to reinforce the notion of a strong, = reliable product. So I wondered how I might design a logo that looked = modern and sleek, while also incorporating that idea.=20 >>>=20 >>> Here is what I came up with. >>>=20 >>> <0592425E-7721-4057-B83F-ACB9CFF78E23.png> >>> While definitely more abstract than the current logo, I think the = elephant is easily recognizable. The rigid shapes were designed to mimic = the luster of a diamond, and they further reinforce that solid, = dependable feeling. The horizontal striations outline the shape of the = elephant=E2=80=99s ears and are also somewhat reminiscent of common = database icons = <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Database_icons = <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Database_icons>>. I don=E2=80= =99t dislike the current design of Slonik, but it does seem a bit = outdated (16 years old!) and it does lose some of its detail at smaller = sizes. >>>=20 >>> I know this is a bit unusual, the community is probably fairly = attached to the current iteration of Slonik, and a logo redesign is most = likely not on your minds. But if you (and the community) like the = design, it=E2=80=99s yours. I won=E2=80=99t ask for any kind of = compensation; all I'll ask is attribution.=20 >>>=20 >>> I=E2=80=99d be happy to hear your thoughts, and would be open to = iterating on the design based on your and/or the community's feedback. I = can also provide high quality vector assets and variations on the logo = (monochrome, various sizes, horizontal lockup, etc.). Please feel free = to email me back at your convenience. >>>=20 >>> Sincerely, >>> Bryan Farrell >>>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Bruce Momjian <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> = http://momjian.us <http://momjian.us/> >> EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com = <http://enterprisedb.com/> >>=20 >> + As you are, so once was I. As I am, so you will be. + >> + Ancient Roman grave inscription + >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Please don't top post, and don't use HTML e-Mail :} Make your quotes = concise. >=20 > http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml = <http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml> > http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/email-style.html = <http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/email-style.html> --Apple-Mail=_BE3013E0-DFF1-4A80-99BC-9A9D17C47A16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">To = me, it looks like the Ruby logo, but blue. At least that=E2=80=99s my = first impression - and I=E2=80=99m not a Rubyist. <div = class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m not certain that a diamond represents strength or = reliability in a logo. I=E2=80=99d assume that diamond would represent = something like elegance or beauty. I could be wrong.<div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Dec = 6, 2019, at 8:40 AM, Andrej <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"= class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">Hi = Bryan,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">If you hadn't posted that logo of = yours to this group, including the current one, I wouldn't have = recognised it as a stylised elephant,<br class=3D"">which, to me, = implies that it may not be a good representation of an elephant. = Actually - even seeing them side by side I still don't<br = class=3D"">recognise it as an elephant. It looks like a stylised = rendition of the old logo.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">Kind regards,<br class=3D""><div = class=3D"">Andrej</div></div><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 22:13, BFarrell915 <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br = class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px = 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; = border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div = style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=3D"">Hello PostgreSQL = advocacy group,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I = recently contacted the core team about a logo design I came up with. = Bruce kindly directed me towards this group. </div><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">As you can see in the = forwarded message below, logo design is a bit of a hobby for me. If you = and the community agree that the design has potential, I would be happy = to iterate on the design based on your feedback.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">If not, it was a fun project for me = anyway.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thank = you,</div><div class=3D"">Bryan Farrell<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Begin = forwarded message:</div><br class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, = "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b = class=3D"">From:<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span = style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", = Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Bruce Momjian <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>><br class=3D""></span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" = class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span = style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", = Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Re: Slonik!</b><br = class=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", = Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Date:<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span = style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", = Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">November 26, 2019 at 20:26:11 EST<br = class=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", = Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span = style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", = Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">BFarrell915 <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>><br class=3D""></span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" = class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span = style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", = Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br class=3D""></span></div><br = class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D"">I would email = the Postgres advocacy list,<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>,<br class=3D"">and see what = they think about it. It is certainly a new direction in<br = class=3D"">design and has potential.<br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------= ------------<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at = 12:37:29AM -0500, BFarrell915 wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote = type=3D"cite" class=3D"">Hello PostgreSQL Core Team,<br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">My name is Bryan, I=E2=80=99m a developer by trade, and I = recently started using PostgreSQL in a Django project I=E2=80=99m = working on!<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Logo design is also somewhat of = a hobby for me, and I enjoy researching the history behind logos and the = like. Naturally, I started researching the history behind the PostgreSQL = logo soon after I started using it. I came across this article <<a = href=3D"https://www.vertabelo.com/blog/the-history-of-slonik-the-postgresq= l-elephant-logo" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">https://www.vertabelo.com/blog/the-history-of-slonik-the-postgr= esql-elephant-logo</a>> which gives a fairly detailed history of = Slonik and the choices behind its creation. In that article, I also came = across this gem (pun intended).<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><span = id=3D"cid:16edc1519865c6d94f61"><dcb3cdea445cd570ae69e35c0ab683f9.png&g= t;</span></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><br class=3D"">While not what I would consider an outstanding = logo, I really liked the idea of using a diamond to reinforce the notion = of a strong, reliable product. So I wondered how I might design a logo = that looked modern and sleek, while also incorporating that idea.<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">Here is what I came up with.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><span= = id=3D"cid:16edc1519861db5dcd82"><0592425E-7721-4057-B83F-ACB9CFF78E23.p= ng></span></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote = type=3D"cite" class=3D"">While definitely more abstract than the current = logo, I think the elephant is easily recognizable. The rigid shapes were = designed to mimic the luster of a diamond, and they further reinforce = that solid, dependable feeling. The horizontal striations outline the = shape of the elephant=E2=80=99s ears and are also somewhat reminiscent = of common database icons <<a = href=3D"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Database_icons" = target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Database_icons</a>&= gt;. I don=E2=80=99t dislike the current design of Slonik, but it does = seem a bit outdated (16 years old!) and it does lose some of its detail = at smaller sizes.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I know this is a bit = unusual, the community is probably fairly attached to the current = iteration of Slonik, and a logo redesign is most likely not on your = minds. But if you (and the community) like the design, it=E2=80=99s = yours. I won=E2=80=99t ask for any kind of compensation; all I'll ask is = attribution.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br = class=3D""><br class=3D"">I=E2=80=99d be happy to hear your thoughts, = and would be open to iterating on the design based on your and/or the = community's feedback. I can also provide high quality vector assets and = variations on the logo (monochrome, various sizes, horizontal lockup, = etc.). Please feel free to email me back at your convenience.<br = class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sincerely,<br class=3D"">Bryan Farrell<br = class=3D""><br class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">--<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""> Bruce = Momjian <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> = <a href=3D"http://momjian.us/" = target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">http://momjian.us</a><br = class=3D""> EnterpriseDB = &n= bsp; &nbs= p; <a href=3D"http://enterprisedb.com/" target=3D"_blank"= class=3D"">http://enterprisedb.com</a><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">+ = As you are, so once was I. As I am, so you will be. +<br = class=3D"">+ = &n= bsp; Ancient Roman grave = inscription +<br class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all" = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">--<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div = dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, = 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none;">Please don't top post, and don't use HTML e-Mail = :} Make your quotes concise.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><a = href=3D"http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml" = target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml</a><br= class=3D""><a href=3D"http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/email-style.html" = target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/email-style.html</a></div></div= ></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></div></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_BE3013E0-DFF1-4A80-99BC-9A9D17C47A16--