Re: Move from IRC to Matrix?

Hi all,

thank you for bringing this up Brian!

After the libera bridge has been shut down, I tried to get ZNC + Hexchat
to run ... one hour of configuration trial & error later I gave up and
went to bed 😠

Currently I barely have time to maintain thunar. So currently not much
interest in dumping more time into getting ZNC/IRC to run again.
(Knowing that there are other tools which just work out of the box makes
it even more frustrating)

Another pro argument for Matrix: Keeping the entrance barrier low will
be beneficial for attracting new contributors.

So a big +1 from my side for moving #xfce-dev over to Matrix

Cheers, alex(xcons)

Am 10.09.23 um 21:49 schrieb Brian Tarricone:
> Hey all,
>
> As most of us have found, the matrix.org bridge between Matrix and
> Libera has been shut down due to various bugs and other issues that
> the Libera team weren't happy about.  And, apparently, the "plumbed
> channels" feature (which has not been shut down) is currently not
> working at matrix.org.
>
> While I've been using ZNC and IRC directly (with various annoyances
> and issues), quite a few of us (Gaël and Alex at least) had been using
> the Matrix bridge to get to #xfce-dev etc.  (I've recently set up my
> own personal Matrix homeserver and have bridged my user account over
> to IRC, and I really like the experience so far, much better than my
> previous ZNC+Hexchat experience.)
>
> I'd like to propose that we move #xfce-dev over to Matrix, for the
> following reasons:
>
> * Chat history comes for free and is directly integrated.  No need to
> run a bouncer or check some web-based bot-generated IRC chat history
> every time you connect.
> * We get threads, message reactions, longer messages, attachments,
> syntax highlighting, etc.  Essentially, "modern chat stuff".  I know
> some people might think this sort of thing is superfluous and silly,
> but after spending some time away from IRC, on platforms like Slack, I
> find I really do miss these things (in that they actually make
> communication easier, not just that they're "fun" or "cute").
> * Matrix an open, federated protocol, so there's minimal lock-in or
> risk of a proprietary service screwing us over. Certainly we're tied
> to whatever homeserver we pick to host the channel (presumably
> matrix.org), but if we really wanted to, we could even run an xfce.org
> homeserver (someday, certainly not today), and then have full control
> over the channels.
>
> There are certainly downsides:
>
> * Anyone without a Matrix account will have to create one, and join
> yet another service.
> * Bots running in our IRC channels will presumably have to be
> rewritten or modified to use Matrix APIs.
> * Minor wrinkle: #xfce-dev:matrix.org is currently owned by a
> community member.  They claim they are squatting on the name and
> holding it in case one of us wants to do something with it (and will
> transfer ownership), but who knows if they're actively around and
> would respond to requests.
>
> At this time I'm only proposing moving #xfce-dev, and not #xfce or
> #xfce-commits.  My reasoning here is that our development team is
> currently split communication-wise between the now-non-bridged channel
> on Matrix, and the channel on IRC, so we have a current need to fix
> the development team's communication.  If we end up liking having
> #xfce-dev on Matrix, we can talk about moving the other channels later.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>      -brian
>
>
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