Re: Move from IRC to Matrix?

Hey!

No objection from either.

Cheers
Olivier

On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 21:54, <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
> I've been using The Lounge as bouncer/client for many years, it's been
> serving me well, I don't exactly want to investe time migrating to
> something else, however, if other devs want it, I accept it.
>
> Cheers,
> Andre Miranda
>
> Sep 11, 2023, 21:20 by [email protected]:
>
> Hi all,
>
> thank you for bringing this up Brian!
>
> After the libera bridge has been shut down, I tried to get ZNC + Hexchat
> to run ... one hour of configuration trial & error later I gave up and went
> to bed 😠
>
> Currently I barely have time to maintain thunar. So currently not much
> interest in dumping more time into getting ZNC/IRC to run again. (Knowing
> that there are other tools which just work out of the box makes it even
> more frustrating)
>
> Another pro argument for Matrix: Keeping the entrance barrier low will be
> beneficial for attracting new contributors.
>
> So a big +1 from my side for moving #xfce-dev over to Matrix
>
> Cheers, alex(xcons)
> Am 10.09.23 um 21:49 schrieb Brian Tarricone:
>
> Hey all,
>
> As most of us have found, the matrix.org bridge between Matrix and Libera
> has been shut down due to various bugs and other issues that the Libera
> team weren't happy about.  And, apparently, the "plumbed channels" feature
> (which has not been shut down) is currently not working at matrix.org.
>
> While I've been using ZNC and IRC directly (with various annoyances and
> issues), quite a few of us (Gaël and Alex at least) had been using the
> Matrix bridge to get to #xfce-dev etc.  (I've recently set up my own
> personal Matrix homeserver and have bridged my user account over to IRC,
> and I really like the experience so far, much better than my previous
> ZNC+Hexchat experience.)
>
> I'd like to propose that we move #xfce-dev over to Matrix, for the
> following reasons:
>
> * Chat history comes for free and is directly integrated.  No need to run
> a bouncer or check some web-based bot-generated IRC chat history every time
> you connect.
> * We get threads, message reactions, longer messages, attachments, syntax
> highlighting, etc.  Essentially, "modern chat stuff".  I know some people
> might think this sort of thing is superfluous and silly, but after spending
> some time away from IRC, on platforms like Slack, I find I really do miss
> these things (in that they actually make communication easier, not just
> that they're "fun" or "cute").
> * Matrix an open, federated protocol, so there's minimal lock-in or risk
> of a proprietary service screwing us over.  Certainly we're tied to
> whatever homeserver we pick to host the channel (presumably matrix.org),
> but if we really wanted to, we could even run an xfce.org homeserver
> (someday, certainly not today), and then have full control over the
> channels.
>
> There are certainly downsides:
>
> * Anyone without a Matrix account will have to create one, and join yet
> another service.
> * Bots running in our IRC channels will presumably have to be rewritten or
> modified to use Matrix APIs.
> * Minor wrinkle: #xfce-dev:matrix.org is currently owned by a community
> member.  They claim they are squatting on the name and holding it in case
> one of us wants to do something with it (and will transfer ownership), but
> who knows if they're actively around and would respond to requests.
>
> At this time I'm only proposing moving #xfce-dev, and not #xfce or
> #xfce-commits.  My reasoning here is that our development team is currently
> split communication-wise between the now-non-bridged channel on Matrix, and
> the channel on IRC, so we have a current need to fix the development team's
> communication.  If we end up liking having #xfce-dev on Matrix, we can talk
> about moving the other channels later.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>      -brian
>
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