Re: Concerns Regarding the Choice of Rust for the Xfce Wayland Compositor

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Theron,
I'm also interested in discussing that choice, though I want to note that =
I'm more or less indifferent to the choice of language.

Incremental compilation times=C2=A0in modern Rust are much lower than they=
 used to be, though first-time builds (i.e., those prior ti generating the=
 `target/` cache) are still somewhat higher than C.=C2=A0The main ways to =
reduce first-time build times include: reducing generics usage in function=
s and types, limiting macro usage,=C2=A0replacing=C2=A0procedural macros w=
ith code generation or declarative macros, and cutting dependency trees. A=
s you'll note, the vast majority of these are related to code=C2=A0generat=
ion and inclusion; that's slow in any language -- not just Rust. It's more=
 of a style/fundamentals problem, like in C++. See:=C2=A0https://nnetherco=
te.github.io/perf-book/compile-times.html

Your next concern is very significant, and I strongly advise maintainers t=
o abide by a strong security policy. Please vendor your dependencies, limi=
t library reliance, and vet everything carefully! Any Crates.io libraries =
should be locked via `Cargo.lock` s.t.=C2=A0reproducible builds would be r=
equired from the very start. Monitor RustSec advisories and patch any affe=
cted or=C2=A0vendored dependencies=C2=A0as soon as possible.=C2=A0You may =
also wish to use tools like `cargo-deny` to automatically scan dependencie=
s for RustSec advisories, licensing problems, etc.: https://rustsec.org/

I would also encourage Xfce maintainers to explore more "home-made"=C2=A0s=
olutions, though I don't necessarily believe it should be in C. From what =
I've seen,=C2=A0C-based compositors get to be a bit of a mess internally, =
and Rust can help there by enforcing=C2=A0its many=C2=A0static guarantees!=
 It's just a matter of writing and adopting strategies for=C2=A0risk manag=
ement, especially for ecosystem security.=C2=A0I=C2=A0also strongly advise=
 that y'all adopt=C2=A0human-focused security guidelines, meaning that LLM=
s shouldn't be trusted to generate secure source code. Please keep humans =
in the loop at all times=C2=A0-- `rustc` can detect many=C2=A0memory safet=
y mistakes, but LLMs bring many additional security problems and tend to b=
loat codebases.

I agree with your request for a security audit of Smithay and its dependen=
cies, hopefully resulting in either a full dependency lock=C2=A0or in-tree=
/vendored crates. Hope to see something on that soon! :)

Cheers,
Barrett Ray










-------- Original Message --------
On Wednesday, 06/17/26 at 10:17 Theron York <[email protected]> wr=
ote:

> I want to start by saying that I am genuinely excited to see Xfce workin=
g on a native Wayland compositor. This is an essential step for the future=
 of the desktop, and I appreciate the team's effort on this.
> =


> However, I have some serious concerns about the decision to write the ne=
w compositor in Rust. I understand the appeal of memory safety, but I thin=
k the practical costs are significant and conflict with Xfce's core princi=
ples.
> =


> The first concern is compilation time. Rust is well known for its slow c=
ompile times, even for incremental builds. This is a real productivity hit=
 compared to C, which compiles almost instantly. For a volunteer driven pr=
oject, long build times discourage new contributors and make debugging and=
 iteration much more tedious. This is especially problematic for users on =
older or low power hardware, which makes up a large part of the Xfce commu=
nity. The CI infrastructure would also need to be upgraded to handle the h=
eavier Rust build load.
> =


> The second concern is the supply chain risk from Cargo and crates.io. Us=
ing Rust means pulling in a large number of external dependencies, which i=
ntroduces a significant attack surface that does not exist in a pure C pro=
ject. A compromised crate could execute malicious code during the build pr=
ocess. There is also the risk of typosquatting or dependency confusion. Xf=
ce has always been trusted because its codebase is relatively small and au=
ditable. Adding a sprawling dependency tree makes it very difficult for th=
e team to vet everything that ends up in the final binary.
> =


> Beyond these technical issues, I think this choice goes against the trad=
itional Xfce philosophy of keeping things lightweight and independent. Ins=
tead of adopting a new language and ecosystem, I would urge the team to im=
plement the compositor in C using a custom in house approach, just as Xfce=
 has always done for its core components. This would give the team total c=
ontrol over the codebase, keep dependencies minimal, and ensure the compos=
itor remains lightweight, secure, and easy to audit. This approach is enti=
rely viable and would preserve the fast, secure, and lean nature that user=
s expect from Xfce.
> =


> I respect the decision to look at Rust for safety, likely via smithay, b=
ut I believe the trade offs are too large. I would kindly ask the team to =
publicly address these concerns and reconsider the language choice.
> =


> Thank you for your work on Xfce, and I look forward to hearing your thou=
ghts.
> =


> =


> =


> --
> =


> "I believe that a sane world is a world with only free software."
> =


> Theron York
> CloudNuke
> cloudnuke.org
> [email protected]
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