Re: Legally Running z/OS on Hercules

--- In [email protected],
 "sccosel" <sccosel@...> wrote:
> Based upon the answers I have been receiving,
>I am not encouraged.  On the surface, this
>question seems fairly straight-forward.
> The designers of Hercules made it capable of
>running z/OS, at some point.  Perhaps from the
>beginning.  But, no one seems to be able to
>definitely say that under certain, specific
>conditions, z/OS would be able to legally be
>run, and under what specific conditions.
>Up to this point, it seems to all be conjecture
>and individual opinion.

   Perhaps I was not clear enough.  It is up
to IBM who and under what conditions they
authorized people to run their for-charge
code and where it can run.

   I am not IBM, have never been IBM, and never
intend to be IBM.  I'm still not a mouth-piece.

> So, I guess Hercules may be is in the same
>category as a "bong" (water pipe).  In most
>states in the U.S., it is not necessarily a
>violation to be in possession of it, just
>what you put in it and/or how it is used! 
> I had a good friend from high school that
>abused the "bong".  Never got caught by the
>law for doing it in his own home, but is
>now deceased at the ripe old age of 41.

   You imply that Hercules was written
only to run zOS release 9?
That is not the case.

> Are those that choose to use z/OS under
>Hercules in a similar predicament?  (Minus
>being at risk of dying an early death!)

   After you have been given several
possible ways that people may be able to
get IBM's permission to run zOS under
Hercules you imply that everyone running
Hercules is not proper.  That is not the
case.

> For the record, we are an IBM customer
>running an IBM licensed copy of z/OS 1.9
>on genuine IBM hardware.  To my knowledge,
>we have not sought IBM's permission to run
>z/OS under Hercules and until the licensing
>issue is clarified, I guess by IBM, we do
>not plan to run z/OS under Hercules,
>professionally or personally.

   Shut zOS down, bring up Linux in the same
LPAR, run Hercules under that, and zOS under
Hercules.  I believe that it should be legal
but am neither IBM nor a mouth-piece.

   Call IBM or their business partner.
Not soughting IBM's permission may not be
the best way to get permission to run trial
releases or disaster recovery tests or any
other methods being dreamed of.

   Soughting from me may not get you far.
All I can do is give hints of what to ask
for.  I'm not IBM.

> An email inquiry to an individual
>purportedly running z/OS under Hercules
>regarding how he went about legally
>running z/OS under Hercules, went
>unanswered.

   IBM is secretive and oftens demands
that its customers be secretive.

   IBM ( and anyone else ) can trace any
posted message.  IBM can verify that
proper permission has been obtained.
If you suspect illegal activity, you are
welcome to pretend to be IBM police and
contact IBM's legal department.  If you
guess wrong or cannot prove your
allegation, there is a chance that it
may be actionable?  I'm not a mouth-piece
and don't know.

> Best Regards, Scott
> [Non-text portions of this message
>have been removed]