Re: What Are the Chances That CICS/VS will Be Available for DOS/VS Under Hercules???

Just one question:

How then did we end up seeing DOS/360, DOS/VS, OS/MFT, OS/MVT, MVS 3.8j, et al. released to the public domain (Thank G-d and IBM for that!)???

Yours truly,

--- In [email protected], "Fish" <fish@...> wrote:
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> Dave Wade wrote:
> > dosvsoperator wrote:
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> > > I can understand where IBM is coming from. They're scared
> > > that someone will try to run production IT of a "for profit"
> > > concern on a Hercules mainframe in violation of a license
> > > agreement! It's kind of a backhanded compliment to the emulator!
> > 
> > I think the paranoid runs deeper than that. In the past the
> > maintenance money paid for Maintenance and there was no need to
> > force upgrades on folks. These days, like the rest of the
> > "computer" industry, the whole Mainframe Marketing Bandwagon
> > relies on selling frequent upgrades to both Hardware and Software.
> [...]
> > [...] you are caught in a never ending spiral or hardware and
> > software upgrades. [...]
> 
> I think Dave has hit the nail on the head: the elimination of the
> "after-market" market (or more properly, the complete elimination of
> "hand-me-downs").
> 
> Thank about it. One company outgrows its capacity and must upgrade to a new
> more powerful model. Their existing hardware isn't powerful enough -- for
> them. But who's to say it's not plenty powerful enough for some other much
> smaller company who has also outgrown their existing capacity? Why can't
> company A's system which IT has outgrown be "handed down" to the much
> smaller company B?
> 
> Because the software (specifically the operating system) required to RUN
> that system is no longer being licensed! You can only get it from IBM and
> IBM is no longer offering it. PURPOSELY.
> 
> That younger brother of yours (or next door neighbor) who has outgrown his
> clothes has to go out and buy NEW clothes because the old clothes his older,
> bigger brother has outgrown is no longer available. The manufacturer has
> taken them back and is no longer offering them. In fact it wouldn't surprise
> me if they've destroyed them.
> 
> And you of course can't use the newer operating systems on the older,
> smaller, less powerful hardware either because they're purposely designed to
> work only on the newer hardware that has all the specialized hardware and
> instructions that they require to run.
> 
> End result? No more hand-me-downs. You MUST go out and buy new.
> 
> If IBM continued to license (offer) older versions of its operating systems
> and software then they could be used by company B to run their enterprise on
> company A's old used hardware, and company B would thus have no incentive to
> purchase "new" hardware from IBM. The after-market market would grow and
> flourish! Older hardware would INCREASE in value as there would be more of a
> demand for it, and the sales volume of new hardware (and software!) would
> suffer as a result.
> 
> In conclusion, to continue hoping that "maybe SOME day IBM will release
> [this/that old operating system/software]" is a complete waste of time in my
> personal opinion. It's just NOT going to happen. :(
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